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| Not fullback we have two decent options with a further 2 more than capable
Wingers, covered.
Centres, Bridge, Ratch can do a job, Evans and once he finishes his therapy Atkins. So we covered there.
Halfbacks, Options
Forwards, plenty.
We are good in every position in terms of personal so what do we need to cover?
We need a leader, that is what we are short of, not a player who takes the game by the scruff of the neck and runs his blood to water like Westwood, Westood plays for his own pride.
We need a shouter, a nowty b'stard, a character, a marshal, an inspirer and a leader.
Today camped out on the Leeds line for what seemed an eternity we were crying out for it, there is no one Iin this side who is a true leader of men, we have all the positions covered admirably but we don't have a captain, this team is crying out for a Mike Gregory right now.
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| The issue isn't about having cover its about quality.
We have options in terms of players that we can put in these positions, if we want to compete for 5th/6th place.
But what about the quality that will set us apart from the rest of the league? Forwards plenty like you say but do we have the best pack in the league?
Halfbacks we have options but do we have the best halfback in the league (we did when Briers was here). If we have ambitions to go further than we have done in the past two years and win the Grand Final then we need to be thinking in terms of how can we put the best pack on the park, can we get the best halfback, the teams that win titles will be thinking this.
It's not just a captain either, and we don't have all the positions covered admirably, we have them covered adequately if our aims are to make sure we're in the playoffs, but we aren't in a position where we can look at the team and say yes thats what distinguishes us from Wigan, Hudds, Leeds, Saints at the top.
Our team looks better on paper than it is, because we have a lot of players in the squad that appear to have their best days behind them. In that respect its a bit like the Cullen era when we had ex Bradford and Saints players that were past their best. The difference now is we have players in our team that had their past success with us, whereas in the Cullen era it was players that had had their success at other teams. But I do think this looks like a Cullen team, a mixture of some younger players over whom the jury is out, and more experienced players that are in decline and whose next move will be downwards.
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| Do you not think great players can get great performances out of lesser players?
One absolute top drawer player leading a team around?
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| Yes I'd tend to agree that a player who is vocal, charismatic and respected can inspire the players around him to greater heights. The slightly alarming thing of the first two games has been the body language, and muted responses of some key players during adversity.
Adrian Morley was clearly a player in decline the last 12 months of his career, but he had sufficient enigmatic quality and presence to rouse the team when he emerged from the bench. Quite often his performances failed to match expectation, but his arrival always seemed to reassure and lift his colleagues.
I personally thought Waterhouse would have been a good choice of captain, but he too seems very quiet, in fact only Higham seems in any way animated and vociferous in the dressing room and on the pitch.
Of course, just because you aren't captain doesn't mean you can't lay down the law, or tell your teammate to buck up but at the moment some players look like they'd prefer to leave it to someone else.
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| All the players in the team ,apart from the new signings, have during their time at Warrington had the luxury of knowing that Briers has been there to pull the strings when all else failed & so there has been no need for any other leader to come forward. What has happened with Briers finishing has left a vacuum in that department ,but get a couple of games won & the confidence will return & no doubt a leader will emerge from within the team.
The fact that Briers has had to finish though should have been anticipated by the management from the recent injuries he had been picking up & more should have been done to prevent the present situation.
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| We need great players more than we need just a great captain.
A great captain will be limited by the quality of his squad. Mike Gregory didn't win any Championships or Challenge Cups when he was captain, and Adrian Morley is not going to win anything at Salford either, however vocal he is.
Briers didn't fit the mould of an inspirational captain like them but he was an on field leader, he had a great rugby brain and could get a team working round a field and being dangerous, he was like having a coach on the field. Sinfield is similar at Leeds.
The big thing we are losing in terms of leadership IMO is not the declining (whilst hugely respected) Morley but Briers. It should have been pretty obvious the moment he retired that we were going to be in big trouble, I think some of our fans were in denial on that front trying to say stuff like well we've won lots of games without Briers recently, other players will step up. Briers was a huge influence and his legacy will be shown by his absence.
In the 1980s the moment we lost our edge as competitors right at the top was when Andy Gregory left. Briers is going to be the same. I'm sure at the time there were people saying we'll be fine, Paul Bishop can cover that position, we have options.
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| Briers is a loss and the team is weaker but it's still a fairly decent side, if you put Mike Gregory in this side I think we'd have won tonight, you can't underestimate the boost it gives players that have a true captain on the field.
Sinfield is a prime example, his biggest redeeming quality is his leadership and look what it's done for Leeds.
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| Perhaps club captaincy should be left with monas and bennie but make simon grix game skipper and let him direct and open his mouth at them.
Either that or break the bank for someone.
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| Not only do we miss a playmaker who can boss us up the pitch, I think we need a real nasty prop who'll scare the opposition. When Bailey came on last night I didn't feel as if there was someone who could land one on him and put him in his place.
But I'm not suggesting we sign anyone. I think over the course of the season players will emerge to fill this void and become our leaders. It's a bit unfortunate that we've had two very tough games up first as it would've been easier to start building our side against lesser teams where they'd have grown in confidence week on week. I think that process starts now.
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| Yes GHF, & i think that's why we were bullied against Saints last week ,there was no Moz to dish the dirt back .
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| Quote: garyhulsefan "Not only do we miss a playmaker who can boss us up the pitch, I think we need a real nasty prop who'll scare the opposition. When Bailey came on last night I didn't feel as if there was someone who could land one on him and put him in his place.
But I'm not suggesting we sign anyone. I think over the course of the season players will emerge to fill this void and become our leaders. It's a bit unfortunate that we've had two very tough games up first as it would've been easier to start building our side against lesser teams where they'd have grown in confidence week on week. I think that process starts now.'"
I thought last week that Asotasi needed to smash someone in defence to try and set a marker, at the moment it looks like hill is the pack leader.
I don't like monas as captain, his worst games for us were when we've played bad and got pinged lots for penalty after penalty, then he starts whining at the ref, not on a briers managing the ref stylee, almost crying. Pissed me off, he was doing it last night.
In terms of leadership, I'm throwing my weight behind gob, he needs to live uo to his nickname though. We've now got a problem in terms of 1 6 and 7. Gob needs to be 6 for control of the team though, where the other three fit in is the problem
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| Quote: rubber duckie "Perhaps club captaincy should be left with monas and bennie but make simon grix game skipper and let him direct and open his mouth at them.
Either that or break the bank for someone.'"
If he is vocal enough to be the onfield leader then yes, but he comes across as a little bit quiet for me as does hill who would be my other choice but you can rarely fault either of their performance levels and determination.
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| I'm not too keen on Westwood being captain either, u always got the impression that Ben was briers' henchman so to speak, briers got him going and moving in attack and covered him in defence.
I reckon he needs someone kicking him up the during a game, that's not a criticism btw. Just where I think his best work comes from
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| Quote: CW8 "If he is vocal enough to be the onfield leader then yes, but he comes across as a little bit quiet for me as does hill who would be my other choice but you can rarely fault either of their performance levels and determination.'"
It could be that its because he goes about his business as a trooper would.
Give him a new role with strips?
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| I said it last year... we need another hooker... We cant rely on Higham as much as we do.
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