he knows we are gash presently and I cannot argue with hid synopsis. So what is he going to do about it?

[iWarrington coach Tony Smith

we have been sh*t for ages.... a sound beating has been on the cards all season.

im surprised it took this long.

we were easily beaten tonight.... and it came as no surprise.

We were easily beaten for the first 20 minutes ,then we started to get a foothold , but that performance was nowhere near good enough. I know TS likes to spout about his players love of throwing the ball about but you would think ,as coach, that he would have some influence on what type of game is played to suit various opposition teams , i.e. throw it about or shove it up your jumper !

All this shove it up your jumper crap is nauseous, it is what blew top sides off the park last season. Just players out of form, nervous.

I think the defensive effort is our issue. The not sprinting off our line to hammer (bordering on illegal) the opposition crept into our game in the ill fated Leeds semi final last year. Stains second try was evident again last night, Morley ambling back into line not facing play of ball and thus a player ghosting past and one pass later scored. 12-nil down and momentum difficult to halt then.

We put ourselves under pressure as we are not forcing mistakes, thus were defending and then knackered = tired when we have ball.

A lot of the things we did well last year are not working for us, I think some of the opposition teams have worked us out as well (coming back in against the slide instead of trying to create overlaps etc) so we need to adapt.

As we have got a lot of strength in depth this year and can put at least two top class sides out which the others can't, we should drop the first team and play the other team, players shouldn't be guaranteed places.

We need to take proper action to stop this slide down the table, I think too many of our players are letting wins over middling teams like Wigan think they are better than they really are.

I was speaking to a work college about the rugby yesterday (he's a vikings fan) and said the way to beat Warrington is to hit them hard for 20 minutes, try and gets some points on the board and then defende and pick up the lose balls when Wolves start to play panic/catchup rugby...............................I now think that somebody from Saints had bugged the room !!!!

I know you are being tediously ironic here but there is an element of truth in this, in the last three matches we have only worked our way back into the game by starting to put together some higher percentage plays and sets.

Well it must have been a surprise to you.

Rogues what do you think of the theory that the age of Warrington's players is catching up with them and they need to start playing some youngsters like Wigan do?

I watched the game last night after coming back from Salford. I've always rated Michael Monaghan and Briers but they were both poor in the game. For whatever reason Wire played suicidal offload rugby and Smith must take some blame for it. Your leaders (generals) didn't do what they should and settle things down.
As for playing youngsters, yes they will give you enthusiasm, but that wasn't lacking it was composure.
You are going to have to find replacements for Briers, Monaghan and Morley etc soon, so I think you will need too blood a few this year too see if they are up to the task.

Wane tried to do it all at once v Widnes, but it gave him some idea of where those youngster were up to. Interestingly last night with no Richards and O'Loughlin he went with Russell and Farrell. Then he replaced Sam Tomkins with Joe Mellor for the last 15 minutes or so. That was much better option than putting five in from the start.