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Quote: karetaker "James Graham on Sam Burgess appointment.


Horrible ginger gobe.

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An well, I'm glad. Didn't want that scrote near us.

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Quote: bewareshadows "So after all the dust settles from the rumours there is no clear out to change the culture.

No brains trust of long and Co joining to add some flair.'"
That's the nature of rumours - different 'facts' were conflated. Sam will no doubt have his own ideas for his assistant(s).

Quote: bewareshadows "Instead it's literally a hail Mary gamble on Burgess.'"
It might be one 'figuratively speaking'. It definitely is not 'literally' one. Back to school for you I'm afraid.

Quote: bewareshadows "I can't believe Warrington have said what have we got to lose, that's hardly a vote of confidence in the guy they have just appointed.'"
They haven't. Read the press release by our chairman and you might gain some insight into the actual reasoning behind the appointment. Now, be a good troll and bore off back under the rock whence you crawled.

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I agree with the Dufty rocks and diamonds analogy, but he is the sort of player I want to see when he's on it.
I also think that being at fullback all your mistakes are there for all to see, but you don't see the other parts to his play its often been his cut out passes that have led to tries like the last one at Catalans.
There are certain players that can give you the 1%s that can win a game but the team shifts to accommodate them like Hurrell at Saints, Field at Wigan (who is a faster Dufty but can't pass). I think that the right edge defence needs sorting before anything else. I see Thewlis will be the future at fullback but another season on the wing will give him confidence and give him chance to mature a bit more physically will do him the world of good before people slaughter him for a dropped ball.

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Anyone would think that behind their sneering is a little flicker of fear.

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Quote: karetaker "James Graham on Sam Burgess appointment.

I’d feel a lot better after hearing that as Wire fan, Graham tells it like it is.

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Quote: easyWire "Not sure where this stuff about Dufty and attitude comes from?
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He lost the ball vs Catalans, they broke away, and he didn't bother chasing back. He was the last player back in the defensive line. He just threw his toys out of the pram and couldn't be bothered.

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Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Big raps from Freddy and Joey Johns on Sam this morning. Think it’s about time people got off the toxic train and gave him a chance. The guy is a champion.'"

im with you on this one.

The guy is a born winner. The very least we should be doing is giving him a chance and all getting behind him.

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "im with you on this one.

The guy is a born winner. The very least we should be doing is giving him a chance and all getting behind him.'"


People keep saying 'born winner' but what did he, or his teams win across his career?

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Quote: WireWireWire "People keep saying 'born winner' but what did he, or his teams win across his career?'"


that's a pretty narrow minded view when looking at a RL player to be honest.

Its the will to win and the drive to be the best.

It's not a medal count... he went to the NRL as a kid, won plenty of accolades... more than any other British player.

he hasn't won the challenge cup though... i will give you that one.. or the world cup... actually yea your right...what a loser

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "that's a pretty narrow minded view when looking at a RL player to be honest.

Its the will to win and the drive to be the best.

It's not a medal count... he went to the NRL as a kid, won plenty of accolades... more than any other British player.

he hasn't won the challenge cup though... i will give you that one.. or the world cup... actually yea your right...what a loser'"


That's all well and good personally for him, but it clearly didn't translate all that well outside of his own performances. Wise crack all you want, but if he's as much as born winner and leader of men as people say, it simply hasn't translated through the teams he has played for nor coached overall. He hardly led a dynasty at Souths did he? And nobody as yet has an answer to that. If he couldn't get his teammates to win consistently then I can't see it changing as a coach.

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Quote: WireWireWire "That's all well and good personally for him, but it clearly didn't translate all that well outside of his own performances. Wise crack all you want, but if he's as much as born winner and leader of men as people say, it simply hasn't translated through the teams he has played for nor coached overall. He hardly led a dynasty at Souths did he? And nobody as yet has an answer to that. If he couldn't get his teammates to win consistently then I can't see it changing as a coach.'"
Dear me fella - what have you got against him - did he p!ss on your chips or something?

Souths won the 2014 premiership and he was Clive Churchill medallist in the final - that's 'leader of men' stuff for me. I've watched plenty of games where he's pulled out the big hits to fire his team up when they seemed flat.

As for coaching - he's never been head coach so it's a bit of a stretch to hold that against him.

All ths stuff I'm hearing that he's doing behind the scenes - [ibefore he even takes over[/i - is exactly what I want to hear.

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Quote: AppleyBridgeWire "

Souths won the 2014 premiership and he was Clive Churchill medallist in the final - that's 'leader of men' stuff for me.'"


Quite. And if that was all he'd done in his career, it'd be more than 99.99% of all rugby league players have done.

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I'm not a big fan of this appointment but you can't knock Burgess's playing record or say that he isn't a winner. Right up there with Adrian Morley as an English player who went to Australia and established himself as one of the most dominant forwards in their game.

I think it will change the perspective of Aussie players wanting to play for Warrington just because of his standing over there. He is somebody they will all view with huge respect. It will be easier for us to attract certain players if Sam Burgess is calling them up. Also I think there's less risk of Aussie players at the club forming cliques and downing tools because they don't like or respect the coach or if they have an idea in the back of their minds that Warrington and England is a bit beneath them.

So there are positives. However, I wouldn't go overboard about this as we hear it often, especially in football. Frank Lampard, Patrick Vieira, Steven Gerrard they haven't exactly been fantastic in the Premier League. Neither was Graeme Souness who was the ultimate 'born winner'. Being a great player isn't the same as being a great coach.

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Quote: WireWireWire "That's all well and good personally for him, but it clearly didn't translate all that well outside of his own performances. Wise crack all you want, but if he's as much as born winner and leader of men as people say, it simply hasn't translated through the teams he has played for nor coached overall. He hardly led a dynasty at Souths did he? And nobody as yet has an answer to that. If he couldn't get his teammates to win consistently then I can't see it changing as a coach.'"

So who do you want as our head coach..don't say wane cos he will never ever come here...

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