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Absolutely lefty, the entertainment business is so full of mediocrity that anything slightly above banal is elevated to genius level and anything that suggests a hint of talent or longevity is awarded legendary status.

I have been fortunate to see players that deserved the legend tag because they were one-offs, freaks, possessed of supernatural abilities. Players who rack up years of dedicated service deserve to be recognised but legends .... no.

Sadly many of the people I'd call legends never donned P&B - Hanley, Offiah etc.

Those that did, for however short a period, dragged lesser-skilled players to hitherto unknown performance levels either by virtue of their incredible, unique skill (Langer, Davies) or their incredible leaders of men charisma (M. Greg).

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "Absolutely lefty, the entertainment business is so full of mediocrity that anything slightly above banal is elevated to genius level and anything that suggests a hint of talent or longevity is awarded legendary status.

I have been fortunate to see players that deserved the legend tag because they were one-offs, freaks, possessed of supernatural abilities. Players who rack up years of dedicated service deserve to be recognised but legends .... no.

Sadly many of the people I'd call legends never donned P&B - Hanley, Offiah etc.

Those that did, for however short a period, dragged lesser-skilled players to hitherto unknown performance levels either by virtue of their incredible, unique skill (Langer, Davies) or their incredible leaders of men charisma (M. Greg).'"

This.
Your first paragraph sums up today's modern day acceptance of something that merely passes muster, now gets that irritating label of AMAAAYYYYZING.

Typical example from recent years. Richard Whiting at Hull. Don't get me wrong, a decent player. But he was being touted as a potential MoS by the great and the good on Sky. You hype something up, and the gullible will swallow it up, like a drunk will cheap cider.

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The topic is Wire Legends, not World Legends. No right or wrong answer, this really is about opinions, you may not agree with someone (e.g. I don't agree with the idea of Murphy as anywhere near the best Scrum half we've had [when he played for us]) but as long as the opinion is genuinely held, fair play to them.

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Morrissey and Lefty...you two need to get a room.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Morrissey and Lefty...you two need to get a room.'"

Great minds think alike icon_lol.gif

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OK, results in and 74% of just 641 total votes went from Brett Hodgson at full back.

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OK, results in and 74% of just 641 total votes went from Brett Hodgson at full back.

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Well,that number of votes is poor in terms of being representative of the fan base. Why has the vote been restricted to twitter users?

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I think it is fair to say that opinions of players & hero worship stems from the early viewing days of young fans. I started watching in the 60s when the team weren't great by any means although they usually gave touring teams a good game. I suppose my legends would be no more than just club men... Payne,Winslade,Dickens,Brady ,Gilfedder,Gordon & others & i also thought Conroy was an amazing full back.

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Quote: silver2 "Well,that number of votes is poor in terms of being representative of the fan base. Why has the vote been restricted to twitter users?'"


Apparently Wires have 78,000 Twitter followers, more than 77,000 of which weren't engaged enough to get involved with the legends vote.

Which perhaps says something about social media .

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Quote: ninearches "I think it is fair to say that opinions of players & hero worship stems from the early viewing days of young fans. I started watching in the 60s when the team weren't great by any means although they usually gave touring teams a good game. I suppose my legends would be no more than just club men... Payne,Winslade,Dickens,Brady ,Gilfedder,Gordon & others & i also thought Conroy was an amazing full back.'"

I must agree with your thoughts about Tom Conroy. He was one of the best defensive full backs I have ever seen. A fearsome tackler and always sound under the high ball. Unfortunately he couldn't kick goals which seemed to be a requirement of a successful fullback in those days.

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Quote: ninearches "I think it is fair to say that opinions of players & hero worship stems from the early viewing days of young fans. I started watching in the 60s when the team weren't great by any means although they usually gave touring teams a good game. I suppose my legends would be no more than just club men... Payne,Winslade,Dickens,Brady ,Gilfedder,Gordon & others & i also thought Conroy was an amazing full back.'"

Despite the selectors favouring others I always felt Parry Gordon was unlucky not to be capped (although I seem to recall he got selected against PNG but it didn't count), also an absolute gent on and off the field. Perhaps it was the fact that he wasn't "chippy" enough that stood against him?

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Brent Grose was a half decent winger. Applying legend status about sums up the modern fan.

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Quote: ninearches "I think it is fair to say that opinions of players & hero worship stems from the early viewing days of young fans. I started watching in the 60s when the team weren't great by any means although they usually gave touring teams a good game. I suppose my legends would be no more than just club men... Payne,Winslade,Dickens,Brady ,Gilfedder,Gordon & others & i also thought Conroy was an amazing full back.'"


You view players differently as you get older. When you are a kid or a teenager, players seem like heroes. A 13 year old would watch Brian Johnson slicing through defenders in a state of awe which would probably stay with him for the rest of his life. When he's 39 and watching Brett Hodgson he will feel respect and might objectively think the two were the same calibre of player but he's unlikely to be awe struck with hero worship and will probably always favour Johnno in this kind of discussion especially on a forum where it's going to start people reminiscing about past players, it's going to be more fun talking about Johnson memories with other fans of the same era than talking about Hodgson with teenagers.

You see this when Man City fans are picking their all time legends team and they try desperately to find space on the bench for the likes of Paul Lake, Kinkladze and Goater.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "You view players differently as you get older. When you are a kid or a teenager, players seem like heroes. A 13 year old would watch Brian Johnson slicing through defenders in a state of awe which would probably stay with him for the rest of his life. When he's 39 and watching Brett Hodgson he will feel respect and might objectively think the two were the same calibre of player but he's unlikely to be awe struck with hero worship and will probably always favour Johnno in this kind of discussion especially on a forum where it's going to start people reminiscing about past players, it's going to be more fun talking about Johnson memories with other fans of the same era than talking about Hodgson with teenagers.

You see this when Man City fans are picking their all time legends team and they try desperately to find space on the bench for the likes of Paul Lake, Kinkladze and Goater.'"


Fair point. Of course the advantage that older fans is that they will have seen both Johnson AND Hodgson. Even older, Hesford and Whitehead too. In any case Grose was not even the best winger post 2002. That would be Hicks.

But when you are asking people by twitter to vote, you are inadvertently applying a recency skew.

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...and Hicks isn’t in the wingers poll - it’s Monaghan from the modern era. Can’t fault his try scoring ratio.

Four out of ten fans who have voted so far have NOT chosen Brian Bevan.

He is the ONLY player to have played for us about whom there can be no argument re legend status.

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