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can we stop the ing contest chaps.

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Quote: Billinge Wires "You must be a more loyal supporter than I. I have missed three games all season home and away and am a north stand sth. However you attending the playoff game makes you loyal.'"


At what point in any replies in this thread did I say or infer that im more loyal than anyone else,my point was on a comment someone else said about loyalty, if memory serves it was along the lines of STH being more loyal.as I said only reason im not STH is fact there is no value in it for me if I cant attend all games due to other commitments eg work.

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To get back to the topic of ticket prices, according to the BBC the price of football seems to be falling. However, I assume the vast amount of their income comes from TV ?


www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24052562
To get back to the topic of ticket prices, according to the BBC the price of football seems to be falling. However, I assume the vast amount of their income comes from TV ?


www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24052562


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Quote: Winslade's Offload "To get back to the topic of ticket prices, according to the BBC the price of football seems to be falling. However, I assume the vast amount of their income comes from TV ?


Have a look at some of the gates in Div 1/2. How clubs like Accrington survive on 1,600 is beyond me.

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Quote: latchfordbob "I did a bit of research for an earlier post and I was surprised at how cheap some of the tickets were for quite a few Premier League teams.

Norwich fans are being charged £12.50 for their away game at Stoke. £9.50 for over 65's, £7.50 for under 17's and £6 for under 11's.

The FSF are also running a campaign to try and get all away tickets set at £20'"

Without looking at it, I would think there must be a sponsor involved. Cas did something some years ago for a trip to London and there was a crowd of over 8,000.

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Quote: Teessidewire "Without looking at it, I would think there must be a sponsor involved. Cas did something some years ago for a trip to London and there was a crowd of over 8,000.'"


Well if they are, they're not advertising the fact. I suspect the club are footing the bill. I read recently that all clubs were given £200,000 to spend on away fans. Perhaps it's that. I think Liverpool were knocking some money off ticket prices for an upcoming away game. Dropkick might know more about that.

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Quote: Teessidewire "Have a look at some of the gates in Div 1/2. How clubs like Accrington survive on 1,600 is beyond me.'"


Yes, they are pretty bad. I also looked at the Scottish Premier, some of those were dreadful as well. Presumably it's redistribution of monies that keep these teams afloat.

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I forgot to mention - there was a 5% fall in attendances at football - referenced in the BBC article. So our 7% drop at the HJ this year doesn't look quite as bad as first thought.

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Every sport is suffering with the recession especially when it means the difference between keeping a roof over your head or putting food on the table.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "To get back to the topic of ticket prices, according to the BBC the price of football seems to be falling. However, I assume the vast amount of their income comes from TV ?



About 50% of Premier League clubs' revenue comes from broadcast revenue, the rest is about 27% commercial revenue and 23% match day revenue.

Also the Premier League is far and away the biggest league in terms of revenue, in 2011/12 the Premier League was worth about £2.4bn whereas the Bundesliga is £1.6bn, La Liga £1.4bn and Serie A £1.3bn. The entire revenue of Serie A was about the same as HMRC recorded getting in tax from English football.

Its only getting bigger too: the broadcast deals for the Premier League alone for the next 3 seasons are worth £3.4bn for domestic broadcast rights and another £2.2bn comes from selling Premier League broadcast rights to the other 200 odd countries that have got it.

The club that finishes bottom of the Premier League this season is going to get about £60m and the champions £95m in broadcast money. To put that in context, when City won the league 2 years ago, they got £61m.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "About 50% of Premier League clubs' revenue comes from broadcast revenue, the rest is about 27% commercial revenue and 23% match day revenue.

Also the Premier League is far and away the biggest league in terms of revenue, in 2011/12 the Premier League was worth about £2.4bn whereas the Bundesliga is £1.6bn, La Liga £1.4bn and Serie A £1.3bn. The entire revenue of Serie A was about the same as HMRC recorded getting in tax from English football.

Its only getting bigger too

So do we know how much, if any, of this money from broadcasting gets handed down to the lower league clubs in Div 2/3 or whatever they are called these days ?

Goes to show where the money is really. OK, football is a global sport, but if we could sell RL TV rights to only a few other countries, we would be much more viable.

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I found this to be an interesting "fable" posted on Total RL forumwhen it comes to low ticket prices it always reminds me of me old gran... she would look at the prices for a cup of tea at the local café, mutter about the cost because its only a teabag and hot water plus a little milk....... but her being a staunch union activist and always prepared to think about workers (nothing wrong with that) would at some point complain people should be paid more money, especially in retail and hospitality.

Now trying to get her to equate the two... that if she was so miserable only wanting to pay very low prices at the café, how did she expect them to pay the higher salaries she thought the staff should get and why all the moaning about the scruffiness of the place because they had no money to redecorate and the café eventually shutdown.... She always seemed to think the two where not related.
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An astute observation I think.

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Quote: latchfordbob "I read recently that all clubs were given £200,000 to spend on away fans. Perhaps it's that. I think Liverpool were knocking some money off ticket prices for an upcoming away game. Dropkick might know more about that.'"


That's true. I've been told the money has come from BT but I'm not 100% certain on that. A few clubs are using it in different ways - Stoke are running free coaches to all their away games for example - and we are using it to subsidise a £2 per ticket reduction on all our league away tickets.

It's a start but it barely scratches the surface. We're still classed as a "Category A" opponent by all home clubs (despite not having had a category A team for over four years), so it's the top whack charge everywhere and none of the deals clubs like Norwich enjoy. Even with the £2 reduction it will still cost £60 to get into our end at Arsenal for example. I don't go to every game because I can't afford to, but I'll be paying around £46 to get into Old Trafford for a third round League Cup tie in two weeks. Hardly a "big game" but high cost because of the two clubs involved.

The price of football at the top level does put the price of RL at the top level into perspective, but the good thing about RL from a fans' viewpoint is that clubs don't have "supply and demand" to keep prices high. The Arsenal V Liverpool fixture I mentioned above will have 60,000 people there regardless of the scandalous prices, and there will be thousands more who would buy a ticket if they could get one but they can't. I would actually struggle to get an away end ticket for that match if I wanted one, but I don't.

If RL prices reach a "tipping point" people will simply vote with their feet and crowds will drop, forcing the prices to drop back. I'm not sure what that tipping point is, but I'm not fearing it reaching Premier League levels anytime soon.

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The play-offs should be the pinnacle of the season, where the best teams meet and compete in a series of winners-take-all matches and fans enjoy the drama, excitement and tension that goes along with it ..... but as we know, they aren't

So, those fans who can't afford to go every match will simply skip this one and pay to see the one that does "matter" i.e:- the one that satisfies the above criteria. A match in which the outcome doesn't offer a final, conclusive, tangible conclusion for the loser, such as receiving no league points,being knocked out of a cup comp or finishing runners-up in a final is not a match at all, but a curtain raiser.

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