He's barely been accounted for when he's been on the pitch this season. Missing aside from a few highlights. Yesterday he gave his all. Distinctly different Williams, he was FIGHTING in the tackle to gain the extra yards, making breaks for fun, his game was much more aggressive. There was a marked difference between this season and yesterday in terms of his attitude.

Haven't seen the TV recording yet, what happened with the drop goal at half time? As usual Kendall looked clueless. 

When questioned was it forward from Sezer and you could hear the crowd booing it because it was forward, Amor said well they would think that wouldn't they. I am not sure how the ball can travel forward five yards with the receiving player with their arms fully stretched to take it in and not call it forward. 

I'll help. 

Let's say the player with the ball was running at 18mph (sprinting)

This equates to 8 meters/second. 


As the player is holding the ball, the ball is also travelling at 8 meters/second. 


Ball is passed flat from the player. 


Ball will travel forward, relative to the pitch, by 8 meters for every second the ball is in flight. 


Looks forward a mile, but under the rules it is not. 

This is a very good explanation but it really does make decisions very difficult. It is also quite often ignored especially when playing Leeds (A). 

Ashton away at Wigan a couple of years ago flat as a pancake at best but was never going to be given  

How easy is it without all the scientific Horlicks if it goes forward it's forward simple innit 

Yes ... I would prefer that too. Everything else is a "Scientific Horlicks" & so open to interpretation.

Well it's been this way for a century. I think a lot of passes travel forward relative to the ground but it's only the ones close to the limit that look suss. I agree with Hull FC pass looked outrageous but it was a long pass delivered at pace. The camera shows the ball did leave the passer backwards/flat. 

I trust the physics but out of interest was your 18mph an example or did sky say that, of the latter, I'm actually suitably impressed by the analysis.

So a flat ball at 0mph travelling backwards will travel at 18mph forward assuming the player is at that speed at the time of passing (ignoring wind resistant etc).


Forgive me, I still reserve the right to shout "FORWARD" in the ground as the pre match Stella overrules my inner Einstein 

The sky commentators were bending over backwards to justify the pass & Dave Woods was creaming himself when Hull made headway.

Same here ... it was a MILE Forward just look at the cut lines of the grass.