And a better derby team

This is true.

HJ - 13,024
Halbart - 15,000

Both will fill up quite nicely for derbies.

Jungle of broken metal - 11,000 (although some are claiming they've moved a couple of crash barriers to make it 12,000+
Belle really bad Vue - 11,000

Haven't Cas and Wakey only sold out once in the relegation decided in recent years?

Salford are in.
Celtic are in.

End of topic.

since when?

maca fill us in with your vast knowledge of the subject

Clue is in the title, not much

Longy put money on it has he?

Ask Gleeson he might tell you

not necesarily, they never did when we played em before.

Much better than BV or the Jungle do though

Franchises. Dear oh dear.

Decided to transfer this to the proper thread for this discussion...

OK - Wigan's salary cap issue while not necessarily the best thing ever to happen to SL, to call the RFL corrupt because of how they dealt with the issue is taking it too far. Naive perhaps in thinking they could punish a team under one set of rules for a transgression that took place under a previous set of rules. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that the Pies were legally advised as to the nature of their defence & I would imagine the RFL would have received legal advice as to the appropriate nature of the punishment. Yes it was inconvenient to us, but was it fair & just to punish Wigan a season too late for an offence? Probably not & realistically the current "in-season" monitoring of the cap is the best way IMO.

Why would you have Doncaster, Featherstone, Halifax ahead of Celtic in your race for a franchise? Because they are in the M62 corridor? Are you really going to get more fans on a regular basis going to watch Fev v Widnes or Celtic v Widnes? I suspect it will be pretty similar. Developing the areas outside the heartlands of the M62 corridor is essential to the long-term future of our game in the face of challenges from RU, football & the like - players coming through from Wales, Scotland, North East, South of Widnes & Ireland all deserve an opportunity to grow & develop playing the game & that takes place better with a top flight team & that is only good for the game but takes time to come through - there are 7 overseas players in the Harlequins squad this season (including Frenchman Julien Rinaldi) against our own 6!

Catalans relegation issue was one that was known & agreed as they entered the league. I'm not saying it was the fairest thing ever to happen to Widnes, but corrupt? No.

Incidentally, attendances at the HJ this season have seen fewer at the Quins & Cas games than at the Catalans. The attendance for Catalans being within a couple of hundred of those for Huddersfield & Wakefield, within 80 of that for the Hull KR game & nearly a thousand more than that for Bradford. That kind of blows your attendance argument out of the water doesn't it?

I'd agree with all the above.

Lots of people love to 'point out' that the RFL are 'corrupt' without offering an example as to when this corruption manifested itself. They may be incompetent on occasion but they're not corrupt.

I don't think they're inompotent, more naive. The RFL act in the best interests of the game as a whole, whilst the clubs act in their own interests first, and the game, a distant second.

They forget about that pal.

Celtic and Salford will be in me thinks, and i predict Celtic to be non-existant within 3 seasons.

Nah wont the rfl bail them out like they did many times with london/quins

But not Widnes why i ask ?

Dont know to be honest maybe the rfl have lost the love for the heartland of rugby league!




anyway i think Celtic and Salford will get in!

Todays made up fact.

Correct, my team at work is the PQS on it.

i may be wrong with this but i thought that the rfl helped out the london broncos as they were struggling off the field and cancelled some debts owed to them! Thats when they changed there names to quins!

As i said i maybe wrong infact i probably am but please be nice i am still quite new to rugby league after only watching the game for 3/4 years

you're wrong.