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| sally cinnamon:Wires71:matt_wire:
I really don't know why people slag off Price. Two cup finals and a grand final ain't a bad return. And one of those involved stuffing saints without our (apparently) most dangerous player on the day. Unless we reach both finals this year, and win one, Price actually did better than SB.
First season - good progress made both finals, 2nd season CC win, but it was blowing out of the playoffs at home 3 times in a row 2019/20/21 to Castleford, Hull and Hull KR which probably left an air of disappointment. People forget this. Expectations were higher then I think. Seems to me a run to the final in the Challenge Cup is good enough for most now. I always expected Price's reputation to get better with the passing of time when people forget what it was like. If you just look in the record books, he had 4 years, got to 3 finals, won a Challenge Cup and had league finishes of 4th twice and 3rd twice. In terms of league position that's the only time apart from 2010-13 under TS that we've been top 4 for four consecutive seasons. We were garbage the year before he took over (TS last season) and we were even worse the year after he left (Powell's first). So on paper he was pretty good in the history of Wire coaches. But that doesn't tell you the full story. It's like when you see that table of most successful England football coaches by win percentage and Fabio Capello is top. Price had four years but only really about one and a half where the fans were feeling good. That first year as Wires71 says was good progress given where we were the year before. Price brought better organisation and a defensive toughness. The black mark against that season was the Wembley final against Catalans when we took 20 minutes to get off the bus and the game was gone. Then in Price's second year we won 11 of our first 14 SL games then 5 of the last 15. That halfway point of the second year was the turning point in the whole Price era. Our Challenge Cup win came in that second half, and the win in the final against Saints was IMO the greatest 'big game' performance I've ever seen from Wire, given the occasion, the opposition, the pressure we withstood. Absolutely incredible. But a week or two after that win there were already people on here saying the Challenge Cup had 'papered over the cracks' and Price had taken us as far as he could. You could see we were in a spiral that we couldn't get out of. Blake Austin had started that season like a house on fire and was front runner for Man of Steel at the half way point then teams worked him out and that massively neutered our attack. The third and fourth year were a bit weird because of covid, we had a decent winning run when games restarted after the first lockdown and were played in front of empty stadiums but we never looked like we were in the calibre of Saints or Wigan or Catalans and we went down easily in the first round of the playoffs. That happened to us three times in a row and by the end we had low expectations of doing anything in the playoffs. The rugby wasn't very exciting under Price either but the most frustrating thing was that after half way through his second year we never looked like we had anything new. We knew when we came up against somebody good we'd fall short. We knew if we went behind in a game we wouldn't come back. We had good enough players to win more games than we lost but there was no Plan B against a team who had worked us out. The Cullen era was far more enjoyable than the Price era despite the results on paper not being as good. We had a few games every year where Wilderspool or the HJ was rocking and we'd win playing exciting rugby against a top team. We never had any memorable moments under Price apart from that backs to the wall win at Wembley. Excellent post. Spot on with the analysis of the first 18 months vs the last 30 months. In that latter period you just knew we were not of the standard to win the title or even compete in the pressure games and you just had to wait until the board realised that too. In the end they just let his contract run out. Dull rugby and no hope of winning the prize. I think the players also chose their games then too. The truth is that Price was just not very good. He got sacked from st george Illawarra after 2 years losing 2/3rds of his games, then a whole 4 years with us and that was the end of his head coaching career. His results in the final 2 1/2 years were poor and so was his legacy in terms of squad and young player progression. We should have sacked him after blowing out of the playoffs at home, in identical circumstances for a 2nd time running in September 2020. This isn't hindsight as I said the same at the time.
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| Yes if I remember right you were one of those who was saying even in 2019 after winning the Challenge Cup that things weren't right and it was papering over the cracks.
But also I soured on Price quite early which is unlike me because pretty much every other Wire coach I've held belief in for too long. I was arguing for Cullen, TS and Powell on here long after others had given up on them and were calling for a change. My standard argument was to be careful what you wish for...change isn't always for the better (I was burned on this by the DVDV to Plange/Anderson transition). But with Price, even I could see that he'd run his course pretty early on and I felt we'd be treading water for the rest of his time in charge, despite the fact that our league position was always 3rd-4th.
The other thing I remember from the Price era was at the end of every season lefty goldblatt would post a long critique of all the things that were wrong, lack of leadership, players in comfort zone etc, and he was saying the same thing every year. That's not a dig at lefty, it's a reflection of the fact none of the issues ever got sorted out. We were the same team with the same limitations throughout Price's reign.
Now...the big question for this year is, are we repeating the same pattern with Burgess that we did with Price. Improvement and encouragement year 1 and losing at Wembley then stalling in year 2. There are some ominous signs but I'm not writing Burgess off early like I did Price. Sometimes you have external factors that affect things and I don't feel like we're a busted flush at this point. We'll see how things develop.
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| We were rubbish in 2019 & won the CC against all expectations. We were rubbish in ,was it 2017 (?) when Tony Smith fell out with the sport. All the time i have watched the Wire ,they fail with such repetition at the last hurdle. The Wire are a club for die hard fans & not for trophy hunters. I don't remember them being champions except for what i've read in record books & our best chance for silverware is probably always going to be the Challenge Cup.
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| ninearches:
We were rubbish in 2019 & won the CC against all expectations. We were rubbish in ,was it 2017 (?) when Tony Smith fell out with the sport. All the time i have watched the Wire ,they fail with such repetition at the last hurdle. The Wire are a club for die hard fans & not for trophy hunters. I don't remember them being champions except for what i've read in record books & our best chance for silverware is probably always going to be the Challenge Cup.
I think that argument is fair up until 2004 but 2 decades later we have very wealthy owners, full cap spend, great facilities and we are always told a great squad (or at least an expensive one). So I think it is fair for fans to hold an ambition for a GF win. If Hull KR can aim for that - why the hell can't we?
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| sally cinnamon:
Now...the big question for this year is, are we repeating the same pattern with Burgess that we did with Price. Improvement and encouragement year 1 and losing at Wembley then stalling in year 2. There are some ominous signs but I'm not writing Burgess off early like I did Price. Sometimes you have external factors that affect things and I don't feel like we're a busted flush at this point. We'll see how things develop.
I'm not writing him off either, but some concerning signs are creeping back in. It would be so Warrington to extend his contract in the next few months rather than wait and see.
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| At least under Price we could defend and had a bit of resilience. How can we be 9th in a 12 team league where two of the teams are Huddersfield and Salford? The recruitment has been nothing short of disgraceful.
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| Sadly, the club is heading down the route it was on towards the end of Paul Cullen's reign. Shoddy recruitment for 2025, Las Vegas and the party culture, sadly promoted by the antics of Sam Burgess.
Nothing at Warrington RLFC is best in class; for the money spent and the money available, we should be in a much better position. Mr's Moran and Middleton must look at their management structure and surely look to increase the gravitas of those who hold those positions before the club embarrasses itself.
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| Snaggletooth:
for the money spent and the money available, we should be in a much better position
Sums it up perfectly. Impossible to argue against. 
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| Lord Tony Smith:
At least under Price we could defend and had a bit of resilience. We had some hammerings under Price. 38-10 vs Wigan (away) 36-12 vs Salford (home) 38-12 vs Saints (away) 36-0 vs Leeds (away) 30-10 vs Catalans (away) 30-12 vs Saints (home) 35-20 vs Castleford (CC semi at Leigh) And we crumbled 3 times in a row in the playoffs at home to lesser opposition. We are struggling now but Price was a pretty mediocre coach too and we were the last club he ever coached which says a lot.
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| All the armchair experts bagging on Price when he was the last coach at Warrington to actually win anything. Six years ago. Astonishing. This forum never changes.
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| mark_m:
All the armchair experts bagging on Price when he was the last coach at Warrington to actually win anything. Six years ago. Astonishing. This forum never changes.
For some reason, people didn't like him, his record was impressive compared to what followed him. Failure to get through playoff games is not all his fault, the players should take their fair share of the blame. I wouldn't mind watching Price's so-called dross rather than the rubbish we are being served right now.
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| mark_m:
All the armchair experts bagging on Price when he was the last coach at Warrington to actually win anything. Six years ago. Astonishing. This forum never changes.
No one is professing to be an expert, just possessing a memory and a historical glance at results. Quite a balanced review of the Price era from a number of contributors and I don't see what's triggered you? Seriously if you can't handle reading opinions you don't agree with, or facts you don't like, without throwing a tantrum, perhaps the internet isn't for you.
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