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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Nostalgia was a lot better in the old days'"
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be
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| Quote ="Wires71" maybe "the product" is not as exciting as it could be. Time will tell.'"
The overall standard of fitness and athleticism is obviously much higher than it used to be, and we do still see some very talented players, but I'm inclined to agree that the 'product' isn't as exciting as it could be. I think there is a real dearth of characters and 'showmen', for want of a better word, amongst modern players. There used to be loads - Hanley, Offiah, Davies, Edwards, Holding, Gill, Boyd, Sorensen, Andy Gregory, Harry Pinner, Bobby Goulding, etc. Since Briers retired I'd be hard-pushed to name any player who shows any sort of 'personality' out on the pitch these days. Maybe Ryan Bailey 
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Nostalgia isn't what it used to be'"
Strictly speaking 'nostalgia' means 'longing for another place' ( not 'another [itime[/i' ) but I guess he means Wilderspool.....................
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire" but don't knock a sport that is growing and is certainly NOT on the way out.'"
Isn't this the thrust of the argument though that the game is not growing. Average attendances are down for most teams and across the league in general.The number of teams in the top flight of Northern Hemisphere Rugby League has reduced also by 2 teams (14%). Attendances at the "Magic" events has also decreased. In terms of geographical spread and expansion SL has diminished with the loss of a Welsh and London team in the top flight.
I fail to see the growth in those statistics.
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| yes but a few out of shape exiled northerners pull on a kit in hemel hempstead and coventry so don't worry about dwindling attendances. The game is booming
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| A unified comp in the USA and more and more countries are taking up the sport.
Yeah, RL is growing.
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"We can try and debate why season ticket sales are down but the stone-cold truth is that it's because we haven't won a trophy since 2012.
We peaked at over 8000 ST's in 2012 and have been slipping down since, GF defeats pushing people away.
Rest assured, should we be successful this season, we'll reach over 8000 again.'"
bet we dont....
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| Fantastic thread. Five pages of people discussing something about which they have absolutely no reliable information. Absolutely pointless.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Fantastic thread. Five pages of people discussing something about which they have absolutely no reliable information. Absolutely pointless.'"
Preseason.
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"bet we dont....'"
Tenner!
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| Quote ="St pete"Why would the fact we have more season ticket holders than Warrington rankle you ? We have better averages for past few years anyway.'"
I was there for everyone of those defeats in your run against Us. Every bloody one of them. If I ever won the National Lottery I would buy St Helens and run it into the ground, I really would. 
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Tenner!'"
how many years do you reckon we will get back to those figures
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"The Thursday/Friday games will affect the season tickets.
Now we'll get the "football have midweek games all over the country, blah blah".
Football isn't marketed as "the family sport" and it has more demand than supply.
If you want to cater for families then night games are not the way forward.'"
Waste of time staying that Yed.. There's folk on here who think its funny when people can't get to games due to Sky's chopping and changing..
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"how many years do you reckon we will get back to those figures'"
Hmmm.. I'll be confident and say by 2018.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Fantastic thread. Five pages of people discussing something about which they have absolutely no reliable information. Absolutely pointless.'"
Equally pointless to criticise it then? No in seriousness we do have 2 web articles, one is a Rugby subscription publication for "rugby decision makers" the other is the Manchester Evening news. We have discussed other topics with less information/sources.
Are you suggesting we should not discuss the subject in the absence of sworn affidavits from each clubs Finance Director ?
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Hmmm.. I'll be confident and say by 2018.'"
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"cant see it....'"
The marketing by both the RFL and the club is improving, if it continues improving it's a decent shout!
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That is good to see & hear about.
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That is good to see & hear about.
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