I think you'll find I said keep a foot outside the winger. He aint a scapegoat Just not a good player. wake up

I love watching the game, but have never played it and I confess to knowing very little when it comes to defensive tactics and such.

Are there effectively two different defensive styles - sliding (which would equate to zonal marking in football) and man to man (equates to man to man in football)?

If this is the case, and if we play a sliding defence then is there room to have a wing playing man to man outside of the sliding defence (a bit like you can play zonal in football, but still have one or two players playing man to man too)?

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I don't get this rational that it's either one thing or the other, it can be both and it is. The defence inside of penny is shocking and penny is a poor one on one tackler.

Someone with a bit of Know!

With Kevin Penny you get what you see which is a kid that has pace to burn who has been thrown onto a rugby league field, his positional sense is still poor and he doesn`t seem to be learning a great deal. Chris Riley who has had far less 1st team chances than Kevin Penny has certainly improved at a faster rate of knots, Chris Riley still has things to learn but he has certainly shown more improvement than Kevin Penny in a similar timescale. I`m not knocking Penny as its giving an opinion based on what we have seen of him, i hope he goes on to be a Warrington great but i can`t see it based on what ive seen so far.

Kevin Penny reminds me a lot of Paul White and to some extent Richie Barnett, all 3 of these had one thing in common which was blistering pace but all 3 of them looked like should have been wearing L plates whilst on a rugby league pitch as none of them have looked natural rugby league players. Both Paul White and Richie Barnet found their level at Salford before Barnett was given a 2 year ban for failing a drug test.

Oh, so it's not all Penny's fault then!

Its Pennys Fault He's Been dropped yes

It is also the failure of the team collectively.

I'm not sure what you mean that Riley has had far less first team chances, they have played pretty much the same amount of games. Add to this Riley's greater amateur experience, I'm not quite sure you are compring like-for-like.

Yes they have made a similar amount of appearances but 11 of Chris Riley`s appearances have been as a sub, Chris Riley always seemed to get overlooked and i doubt he would ever have got many games at all if it hadn`t of been for our injuries over the last few years.

In theory and in a lot of ways it was better for Kevin Penny that he went straight into the pro game as he would of got taught the right way of doing things from the start and wouldn`t of picked up a lot of the bad habits that you can do in the amatuer game, also he would get far more personal coaching in a 1 on 1 situation than you get in the amatuer game due to lack of resources in that area. Anyway the pro game is totally different from amatuer game as its a lot cleaner and a lot faster at pro level, it will have been a totally new experience for Chris Riley as well as you hear so many pros say that you can`t compare the amatuer game to the pro game as they are so different.

Kevin Penny 35 appearances 1 as sub

Chris Riley 37 appearances 11 as sub

I'd have Riley fullback. Gleeson and Penny on the right. Johnson and Hicks on the left. Briers and Bridge 6 and 7. Monaghan starting hooker for both halfs with Higham to come off the bench for the last 20 of each half. Clarke at loose.

you're not really a coach are you Bobbie....I bet you're not even called Bobbie

I think its best explained in Pictures:

Ive moved Kevin Penny to where you want him..(well almost, as Gardners right on the touchline already)

do i have to explain what the big red thing is...

PMSL, but incidently so very true, lol

Exactly what I said, but he's still not having it.

Penny has alot more than either of them, the ability to change direction and pace quickly a bit of a step he also has great control when kicking a live ball, why do people insist on putting down our most dangerous weapon is beyond me.

Riley is much further on in his RL development than Penny, the fact he only touched a ball at 14/15 whatever he was, proves this.

In terms of Penny & Riley, I'm not sure our current set up, or the last one is the best to judge them on. They've come in, as rookies, into the worst defensive side in SL, or if not the worst, the wost of the supposed 'bigger sides' anyhow. If your learning your trade, in a setup which is offensively orientated, as ours has been/is now, it makes sense that the only areas of your game that are likely to improve is that. In a defensively mided environment, with better role models, it'd be different. We don't have one single back, who's decent defensively, Gleeson is probably our best, and teams get at him.

You put Kev Penny at Saints or Leeds tomorrow, i'll bet he'll look quality. Look at how that Watkins has slotted in pretty impressively.

They have a coach who'd play to his strengths, I'm quite sure. We have one of the best attacking wingers in the league and don't utilise plays to suit him.

You still dont understand what im trying to say.

If Penny was there where you have placed him on the picture. Matt King could still tackle the saints centre and Kev Penny has a better Chance of stopping Gardner one on one.

The 10 metre gap shouldnt be there.. but is irrelevant

How?

NO NO NO NO NO and NO

Steve51 has explained it Keithcun has explained it and the big red bus has shown it....

Matt King is the one Circled in Red He has Left Matt Gidley to go and Tackle Flannery the Second rower ....this action is the very starting point for the breakdown of that defensive unit....

Matt Kings position meant he couldnt tackle Matt Gidley the best he did was get two hands on his back. how would the positioning of Penny have Made Matt King get back quicker and make a complete tackle....?

Come on Bob, not only is King stepping in his body is turning inwards too. There is virtually no chance of him making that tackle.

people IT IS ALL Penny's FAULT

I think it's Clarkeys..

is penny still just left out or is he injured? we was even worse without him so how about we drop all the other players to????????????????????? lowes is a joke get rid ASAP