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[quote]Whether you like it or not Powell did an outstanding job at Cas and has had success at every club barring ours. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Certainly makes you think. What success did he have? A Grand Final stuffing. Nothing we would consider good enough, certainly not based on this thread.
He took over a Cas team which was bottom of Super League in 2013 and in four years had them top of the table despite not having the finances to be able to hold on to his best players (Rangi Chase, Daryl Clark and Denny Solomona). They were also the best team to watch in 2017 and played a brand of fast exciting rugby. Zak Hardaker screwed Cas over in that Grand Final.
I really wanted us to appoint him to replace TS and was still keen when we appointed him to replace Price although things had gone a bit stale in his last couple of years at Cas. They weren't the same dynamic team and he was a grumpy presence in press conferences complaining about everything. I thought it was like TS at the end with us - gone too long and both parties needed a change.
The other part of Powell's career that's underrated is his spell at Leeds. I've talked earlier in the thread about how a first time coach is on a hiding to nothing at a big club because they are making their early mistakes under high scrutiny. But Powell did a big overhaul of a Leeds squad that had been big name underachievers to bringing through all the Academy guys who would end up dominating SL for nearly 15 years. Not an easy job as he was putting noses out of joint for high profile players some of whom had played with him, to replace them with youngsters. That's why I thought he would be suited to a "clear out/overhaul" with us. The difference was he didn't have the same quality of Academy players to bring in and the players he brought in from outside were poor.
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| just_browny:Lord Tony Smith:just_browny:
I'm happy to drop in my thoughts on our general performance, although I find the hand wringing 2-3 times per week a bit much and I haven't really got anything new to say. I find some of the solutions people reach for a bit terrifying - Powell was actually a supercoach and let's bring in Paul Rowley - so hopefully someone has got a cool head in the boardroom.
Whether you like it or not Powell did an outstanding job at Cas and has had success at every club barring ours. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Certainly makes you think. What success did he have? A Grand Final stuffing. Nothing we would consider good enough, certainly not based on this thread. Come off it. I don't even like the bloke but he took Cas from bottom of the league to a Grand Final and won a LLS. We're talking about Castleford btw not Wigan, Saints or Leeds. A team probably working with the lowest budget in the league. If you don't think that's success then I don't know what is. Powell has won has many trophies as we have in the last 8 years with much lesser teams and a quarter of our budget. |
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If the rumours are to believed when his tenure come's to an end at the Wolves he returning to Australia to coach, and he's name has already been mentioned as a coach for the Perth Bears.
I always thought he was being lined up for the South Sydney coaching job, but after what's happening at the Wolves this season I'm not sure, and he will have to win the challenge cup this season to have that on his CV at the very least to be a head coach in the NRL.
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| karetaker:
Word is Mal Meninga got the Bears job.
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From an outsider looking in the job Burgess has done has been decent enough but it all feels like how he'll be remembered will come on the back of the result Next Saturday. If he wins, then he'll go with a trophy (be that at the end of 2025 or 2026) and you can throw in another cup final, an unlucky exit in a play off semi and whatever happens beyond that cup final. A loss and a poor end to this season would change things I guess but as we sit here now, I think his time has been positive.
I'd also give him plenty of praise for the way in which he's tried to back the youngsters such as Lindop, Holroyd, Taylor-Wray, Hayes etc. When a coach is coming in to a side knowing full well he'll only be there for 2 years or 3 years at a maximum, it would've been extremely easy to throw his weight around and demand experience and experience only in the side because what happens beyond his time won't really matter to him but he's not done that and he has at least tried to get young players in to the side. A change in mindset towards developing their own players is the biggest legacy he could leave behind at Wire IMO and I think he has and is trying to do that. He's been unlucky in that regard with injuries to guys like Hayes, Wrench and now Taylor-Wray though.
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Justin Holbrook favourite for the assistant job.
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I read that and it’s oh I haven’t got a job in NRL hmm let’s see what happens in next year or so.
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I wish him well, but it's better for Wire if he leaves at the end of this season.
We need a coach who wants to stay here.
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| BOSS HOG:
I wish him well, but it's better for Wire if he leaves at the end of this season.
We need a coach who wants to stay here.
Agree, it seemed pretty clear at one stage he was off, now that’s fallen through it kind of looks like let’s wait and see what happens here. If the ambition is still the NRL he as a lot of work to do and winning on Saturday is not enough for me personally. Yes it’s great that we have had success in the cup and been in many finals since 09 but it’s the big prize we want and need and with the emergence of HKR and Hull coming up it’s only going to get harder. |
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I wish him well, but it's better for Wire if he leaves at the end of this season.
We need a coach who wants to stay here.
I think that we usually agree and on a range of issues, but I'm not sure that I do in this instance which of course is OK. I haven't read the article but I'd say that all we can ask is that he sees out his contract, unless of course it's by 'mutual agreement'. I understand that there could be distractions relating to known term contracts but the same uncertainty could be performance led as was the case with his predecessor. At least this way the Club have no excuse getting Sam's successor lined up as a target at least, carry out a bit of due diligence. |
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| Uncle Rico:BOSS HOG:
I wish him well, but it's better for Wire if he leaves at the end of this season.
We need a coach who wants to stay here.
I think that we usually agree and on a range of issues, but I'm not sure that I do in this instance which of course is OK. I haven't read the article but I'd say that all we can ask is that he sees out his contract, unless of course it's by 'mutual agreement'. I understand that there could be distractions relating to known term contracts but the same uncertainty could be performance led as was the case with his predecessor. At least this way the Club have no excuse getting Sam's successor lined up as a target at least, carry out a bit of due diligence. I'm uncomfortable with the rumour about the police complaint about the conduct of the players AND the Wire coaching staff around Warrington , combined with the fiasco that went on in Vegas. The Board of Directors don't seem to have any control of Burgess and that's why I would prefer if he left and got a job in the NRL He has not hidden the fact that he wants a gig in Aus. and I would prefer if he left and we could move on without him. |
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