I think the problem SEB may be one of the fans thinking we have a super rich owner so why the extra money from the fans, before Moran it made 100% sense, now the waters are not so clear.
For me it's simply money or a lack of it, one home game costs me in the region of £120-£150 when factoring everything in.
Awareness though is problem, quite a few of my friends know sod all about it.

For me (and this is simply a personal perspective), I don't see the good things the trust do. I see the diners and the fundraising efforts but not where it goes. Perhaps this could be addressed. Again personally on the one occasion I did approach the trust for help it was rejected. I'm not wanting to argue this point in public, but the principals state . I felt it didn't and resigned from it immediately.

Also, as you say,the principals behind a lot of the impetus in forming these two committees was to help the club and the youth development when the club was on it's . Now we have a club with new facilities, turning over a profit and a sugar daddy with a bottomless pocket. I think those behind SB should re-affirm it's role.

Good points made there. We are aiming to improve the awareness thing, maybe with a newsletter (although there are often announcements of how we have helped on the wolves website, in the media and at the matches) and also are looking into how to make membership more attractive.

On the request for help Steve, maybe if you PM me with the brief details? Just for my info, I have a vague memory of what you are referring to but can't recall the details.

Anyone any other points?

could it be that quite a lot of the matchday crowd are indeed that, they may wear the shirt (and no i'm not getting into any true fan malarky here) away from the ground but aside from the first team, aren't that interested in the club as a whole if that makes sense.

How many people were in teh ground on friday night, how many do you think were actually aware of teh 9's win on the night, or the following days before reading it in the guardian? if they did read it in the guardian?

i just get the impression from conversations i have with colleagues and other people that its the 2 hours at the stadium on a matchday, then limited interest/involvement.

Reassure people about the rugby nights you have, people feel put off, they think these events are for uber fans that could recall every match and every player for the last 20 years and are slightly intimidated.

I know a fair bit and personally if i lived up north would love these events but some people see them as rugby geek events, plus i agree with Cat especially the JCL's, the 9's comp if i wasn't an internety type and went on here and the Wire site(which to be fair i don't go on that often) i wouldn't have had a clue, RFL should shoulder some of that though

Yes, I agree with those points too. I do believe the vast majority of the crowd love the 2 hours around the match and that's it. There is probably nothing we could do to interest those.

But there must be a good few hundred who we could be of interest to but currently aren't reaching. As for being intimidated by events - I can't understand that one. Every event we have is very relaxed and enjoyable. Take the quiz night - people clearly love that as it sells out very year, yet most of the people that attend are non-members!

You know some people are intimidated posting on here anonymously, imagine real life.

Squadbuilder comes across as being very formal where you want people to turn up to meetings etc, the average fan isn't into attending things like meetings and asking questions as again it sounds very formal. Like has been pointed out above, most fans just want to turn up on matchdays and support the Wire and maybe have a couple of beers and some food as well.

Maybe if you made it less formal like having a poker night or lay on a comedian and have a curry night to get people down, that way you would kill a few birds with one stone as you would get a lot more people into one area then you could subtlily bring in what squadbuilder is about at some point during the evening and have a table where people can sign up.

You could make some money off the event as well if you advertised it well enough like some posters round the ground on matchdays and a big advert in the warrington guardian etc.

Maybe you have tried similar before, just putting across how squadbuilder is probably viewed as by the average fan.

then you're gonna hve to start charging people to pay for the comedian, or whatever, and that'll be another excuse.

That said, i can't remember what your record is on attending these (not meant accusatory, you know what i mean) would what you've suggested above get you out the house and to one of these events?

I used to pay to squadbuilder each month but i'd rather not go into it why i stopped, no i wouldn't be interested in going down even if they had Phil Clarke tied to a wall where you could lob cow dung at him for 50p a go.

Just putting forward some things that may entice the average fan down rather than attending something that sounds a bit formal.

I'm just not sure people kind of get what it is, like what does it entail. What's my commitment, I know financially it's £5, but what about time wise etc and it's then you'll get folk who will question as has been pointed out now with the investment if their £5 is actually needed anymore.

I think with SqB, I'd almost be tempted to go the other way and play on this being a little bit elitist if i'm honest. I'd make a big play on the fact that if you don't join this, pay this, here's what you'll miss out on and ramp up on that, sort of you look after the clubs future and the club will look after you, and here's how :- (I've made these up)

* Monthly prize draw, make it like 'money can't buy' style prizes, so maybe a shirt, signed & presented by your favourite player or a press matchday experience, go early, sit in the press seats, attend the post match press conference, a day with the wolves, train and put cones out or whatever ..

* Quarterly updates from Smith, Moran etc on the club, interesting that you wouldn't normally know.

* Monthly training reports from Marshall, Bastian etc on who's gone well, what they're particularly pleased with etc, just their insight.

* Squadbuilder interview - each month you send in your questions, a dozen are selected and an interview formed with a player/coach etc.

* Ones to look out for, a profile of a an U'16, U'18 etc who might be one to keep an eye on etc ...

I'd almost have it where you'd hear people saying "Where did you hear that ..." or "How did you get to do that?"

It's like, you guys pay £10 a year, you guys want to be closer to the club than the average fan does on a daily basis, so here you go ... Almost appeal to the nerdier fans, which by being on here I think we are for starters. I'd sort of move Squadbuilder to the people, rather than now the people have to come to it, more information coming to the way of the user, valuable, interesting information too and less reliance on getting off bums and attending events after days at work etc.

i used to like having the cheap thrill of having the squadbuilder logo on my shirt a ways back, not done that in ages now mind.

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Re the Squadbuilder thing, I often consider joining up, but never quite get round to it. Prompted by this thread I had a look at the SB webpage, where its last documented 'achievement' was in the summer of 2008. I know these things are developmental and take time and so on, but if I had been paying a fiver a month for the last three years, I think I'd have liked a bit more detail about what the cash is being used for (as mentioned by someone else further up the page).
Not a criticism, as such, more an observation.

move the big screen, suspend it on wires in thenorth west corner of the ground, so that you can walk underneath it, between the two stands, making it much more visable for most fans, not taking up any more room and complimenting the filled in corners when they are complete, and three pint glasses! a higher profile for squad builder on match days ie, flyers and tannoy annoucements pre & post match local pubs to put posters up advertising sqbuilder and monthly prizes for membership.


my favourite idea is, you know the camera placement in the east stand, when it's not being used for tv covarage, get bensons for beds to put a bed in that space and raffle the right to watch the match whilst in bed with free waitress service! i'd buy a ticket for that and turn up in my pj's for that! publicity all round !!