Do great fans create wins?

Good idea for a thesis.

We always hear how England football/cricket fans outsing the opposition especially away, is this reflected in England's results?

Is the reason Wigan have been better than Warrington for so long because they have more fans than us and their fans are more able to inspire their team than ours?

How have Man City suddenly been able to generate fans that can win them titles where for years they were mired in mediocrity?

SC I know that you don't for one minute believe that.
I only hope it's a ploy to create debate.

The 18th Man, if it does give an intensity boost, is marginal.
But within this margin, there could be enough to lift one of the teams when both generally are ability matched.

All of the above really, helped along by people being on the pop. All part of the event over the weekend, I've no voice today but come Sunday I will probably just want to stand and enjoy the game at Belle Vue quietly.

In the previous match there wasn't enough numbers there to be heard over the drum from where I was sat, it took till all your fans were there to actually be heard. Then apart from annoying Monaghan song you sang your hearts out throughout.

I saw a few opposition fans (*cough* Wigan *cough*) moaning about the singing on Twitter. One even melodramatically claimed we were ruining her Magic Weekend



What they're really thinking is "I wish our fans were that awesome"

I took a couple of videos of the post-match craziness if you didn't get enough yesterday.....

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I'm not sure I'd be crazy enough to let a bunch of *very* drunk Wire and Catalan fans do this to me, especially over concrete, but hey-ho. Just glad there wasn't any cracked skulls!
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I like your thinking. I would think that in the case of LFC for example the crowd may well inspire the team. By the way many City fans will tell you that when they were in the old 3rd Division they still got crowds of 30,000.

But I think it happens less in rugby league. I certainly wouldn't claim Wigan's fans to be anything special in this regard. My original post was only trying to puncture the view that the Wire 'singing' had anything to do with your win over Saints. I'm sure the players will even say that the fans contributed to it if you asked them But then, they would wouldn't they?

Everyone says what great fans they have and with today's society all needing to be involved 'to be part of the story' it feeds the illusion that we are part of our team's success - when in truth we really aren't. Wire beat Saints because Saints didn't compete with your pack in which Hill was outstanding. That's it really.

I, for one, hope some Wigan fans' weekends were ruined by Warrington fans singing. I doubt it though.

You've mixed two factors here, great fans and more fans.

I think a great atmosphere can inspire z team occasionally but it as to be something really special; probably a better atmosphere than any Rugby match can generate. Also, a great atmosphere doesn't have to involve much singing.

For the more fans argument, the best teams have the best players. So the teams with the most money generally get the best players in. Traditionally the money was brought through the turnstiles but TV deals and sugardaddy owners mean gate money isn't as important as it once was. So more fans, more success.

City have always had a fairly decent crowd, even before they won the lottery. Their problem is that it's not growing at a rate they would want and when you get midweek games or unglamorous cup ties, theres not the volume of fans waiting for tickets, so you start to get gaps in the seats. Away games are the same for them.



So you saw them get 30,000 for some games in the old 3rd division, but in the same season they got a crowds of 19,000, 11,000 and then 3007 against Mansfield, all in cup games. Some of the away crowds were very poor as well.

I don't know how the Liverpool crowd can inspire the team, once you get past the stage managed YNWA at the beginning, you can hear a pin drop for most of the games.

So in conclusion, More fans = more possibilities of winning trophies, Great atmosphere = can occasionally generate a better performance (or periods of play) on the pitch.

LA,Bob.
Noble peace prize nomination for you.

Here's the formula you devised.
MF=(+/-MP)×GA=(+/-BP)

Fair points. I'm inclined to agree. (Though 19,00 for a third division game is pretty good)

I personally find the YNWA nonsense rather nauseating. I suppose I was thinking of the time when LFC beat St Etienne (1977 I think - the same year you scored thirty league goals and won ten grand from the Daily Express!!!).

I was sat directly above the wire fans, in the 2nd tier, and literally the only two songs I heard were 'sh*t helens' and what I keep reading was supposed to be 'allez allez allez ohh' but was definitely 'alley alley alley oh'. You were pretty loud though, congrats.

That has more to do with the position of you and the direction of acoustics rather than loudness of voice.
Like standing behind a mega phone as opposed to standing in front.

Well, he was sitting above you and I was sitting on halfway and we both didn't hear much apart from the banal and excuciating "Allez, Allez, Allez".

Would anyone care to explain to me why you were singing that anyway. Do you have French players that I don't know about? Is Warrington twinned with Toulouse? Do any of you even know what it means?

You tell us correctly why you're called pieaters and I'll tell you.

Love the fact this has wound you up so much, I think you either need to lighten up

or just stop going to the games!

As you well know, during the heroic but ultimately doomed National Strike of 1926, the starving Miners from Wigan were forced to go back to work earlier than surrounding towns - thus having to eat 'humble pie' - and not because the World Pie Eating Championships are held in Wigan. By the way I recommend the Museum of Labour History in Manchester (free to enter and a decent cafe) if you didn't.

Your turn...

Because the Wire fans have a good relationship with the Catalan fans. The last few years both sets of fans have stood together singing with and supporting each other.

If you look at the first link Rugbychick posted you'll notice a large Catalan flag in with the Wire fans after the game (you may have noticed it during the game, too)

Also, I was sat above the Bradford fans, in the upper tier, for the first two games, and I could hear everything the Wire fans were singing (including the Catalan songs) even when there was only a (comparatively) small contingent.

Allez does not have a direct English translation but in its context means. Get going. Allez is one of the first French words a child would learn, after greetings and courtesy, for directions.

Merci beaucoup. Fais mes amitiés à Rubber Ducky.

Et au revoir - La prochaine fois je vais te chanter une chanson!

Enchanté

A good politician you'd make...managing to skirt around the use of LEIGH.

Haha. Good point.

Personally I've nothing against Leigh - and they have one of the very few decent MPs around today.

I thought we sang it because it was catchy... Why to the Wigan super ultra brigantes sing:

Wooooooooooooah oh! Woooooooooah oh! Wooooooooooah oh! Woooooooooooooah oh! Nananananananananananana! Nananananananananananana! Nananananananananananana! Nananananananananananana!

And repeat.


What meaning does that have? Why does it matter? It's just fans enjoying themselves. Bore off.

Maybe they get really excited when they see their nan's.

As for the origins of songs, who knows? Warrington and Catalan fans have a very close relationship, you as a Wigan fan should understand why we have the relationship we do as it stems from the semi final at the HJ Wigan v Catalan AND/OR from the fact we take so many over to Catalan. I think they released away fans ticket numbers sales through the years and we have always been the highest despite not having the biggest fan base. Catalan have a good relationship both on and off the field with us.
We have similar relationships with Hudds fans...it shows we are not the monsters that certain clubs make us out to be

If I criticise your lot singing Allez Allez ad nauseum I'm hardly likely to find nanana much cop either am I?

If you have fun singing then good for you. And I really do admire your Francophile stance. I look forward to you extending your repertoire. "la Mllaise" perhaps?

"Arise children of Warrington - The day of glory has arrived"

...maybe not