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| If my boss, was as unenthusiastic towards the tasks at hand, I think I'd probably struggle to generate results. In that conference, I thought he was borderline rude at times, his boredom with being asked questions that he obviously feels don't need answering shines through.
No disrespect to Gary at all, as I thought his questions were good, but I'd love there to be a fans forum right now with Jimmy, as I think he'd get quite a grilling. (If people could be bothered going to see him)
I think there's plenty to go at from that interview alone, it's too early to drop players, but he dropped Kev after 65 minutes of a performance that he was not to blame for.
When Lowes goes, which will be sooner rather than later, and I can't wait for that to tell you the truth. Never, ever did I think that I could dislike a person connected with Warrington so much, but I do, his reign will be remembered for me, by that forum with him & Gatcliffe. Getdownmonkeyman asks a question, Lowes gives a good five minute answer, but rambles off on a tangent, and finishes with "Was that alright for you ?" as a sign off, Monkeyman just says "No." pauses and says "Not really, that's not what I asked."
Easily my favourite moment of 2009, probably in my top 50, Ever.
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| Quote ="JWP"If my boss, was as unenthusiastic towards the tasks at hand, I think I'd probably struggle to generate results. In that conference, I thought he was borderline rude at times, his boredom with being asked questions that he obviously feels don't need answering shines through.
No disrespect to Gary at all, as I thought his questions were good, but I'd love there to be a fans forum right now with Jimmy, as I think he'd get quite a grilling. (If people could be bothered going to see him)
I think there's plenty to go at from that interview alone, it's too early to drop players, but he dropped Kev after 65 minutes of a performance that he was not to blame for.
When Lowes goes, which will be sooner rather than later, and I can't wait for that to tell you the truth. Never, ever did I think that I could dislike a person connected with Warrington so much, but I do, his reign will be remembered for me, by that forum with him & Gatcliffe. Getdownmonkeyman asks a question, Lowes gives a good five minute answer, but rambles off on a tangent, and finishes with "Was that alright for you ?" as a sign off, Monkeyman just says "No." pauses and says "Not really, that's not what I asked."
Easily my favourite moment of 2009, probably in my top 50, Ever.'"
that was in november.
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| Is Graham Murray still available..If so i think he'd be worth looking at proven pedigree in NRL and Super League...
I just want a coach who will get into that dressing room and kick some backsides
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| For Fuck sake that was depressing. We are well and truly ed with this in charge.
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| I just can't take ti Lowes, seems like a amateur coach(no offence) and dresses like one as well.
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| I would pay money to see 71 ask Lowes the same question he asked of Simon Moran. Electric.
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| Lowes looks, acts & sounds like a petulant teenage boy.
He is immature as a coach and as a leader of our team and as such should be shown the door, pronto.
A 7 match losing streak is a nowhere near good enough record for a team with serious aspirations of challenging for a game in the grand final (any bl00dy final will do!)
Lowes out!
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| Quote ="Lowes Out Hanley In"Strange that skents hasn't advertised it on here.
Maybe Jimmy has been reading all the stick on here and has seen that Skents is a regular poster and thinks that he is part of the anti Lowes brigade.
So maybe Skents is giving us a wide bearth.
Or maybe skents took the hump with our feedback last week, which he asked for.'"
We all know nobody from the club apart from Greg reads this forum
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| it does make you laugh at our club, lowes was not good enough to run salfod as they saw through his lack of experiance, but warrington give him the job full time and its all gone down hill from there. I do think the club have used him as a stop gap till smith comes free at the end of the season.
if wire wait till the end of the season, what damage will be done ?
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| Quote ="simons2107"
if wire wait till the end of the season, what damage will be done ?'"
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| Just watched the interview and appeared Gary got short shrift reply with his questions whilst Ray French seemed to get a more respectful answer. Good on ya Gary, they were more probing questions than previously asked. Jimmy seemed very unprofessional and unprepared considering the type of questions that must have been expected.
When Gary asked Vinnie if the players had let Jimmy, down Jimmy stepped in and made a comment such as 'its easy at the top'. Well if its that easy why does he look so uncorfortable and why aren't we getting the results Comparing the interviews he gave last season Jimmy now gives the impression that he is a guy under pressure.
Oh and 7 defeats on the bounce, we are supposed to forget about last years results. How can we when nothing has changed?
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| i think this is a bit of a mountain being made out of a mole hill...yes maybe he should try and come across a bit more business like but in his defence i can imagine he's just a chummy with ray french and anyone else there as he is with skents so he probably doesn't feel the need
and to infer what he is like around the players from his actions in an interview i think is a mistake its obviously not going to be the same
forget last season, as jimmy says, that was a different situation, we've lost 2 games yes both had a very bad collapse at end but its just 2 games if in 10 more we are in same position time to start putting pressure on
i think franchising should allow stability for managers as well as young players imagine if united had got rid of ferguson...they gave him a good 3 years or so before anything happened at all look how that ended up!
and on topic of ferguson forget getting big money manager in give jimmy a chance but get ferguson in as a management consultant in some form of role even just an hour a week we could swap it for united using hj get rid of scousers 2 birds with one stone!
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| Quote ="Thelonius"[i[In best Private Frazer accent[/i We're Dooooooooomed'"
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| Quote ="tino"i think this is a bit of a mountain being made out of a mole hill...yes maybe he should try and come across a bit more business like but in his defence i can imagine he's just a chummy with ray french and anyone else there as he is with skents so he probably doesn't feel the need
and to infer what he is like around the players from his actions in an interview i think is a mistake its obviously not going to be the same
forget last season, as jimmy says, that was a different situation, we've lost 2 games yes both had a very bad collapse at end but its just 2 games if in 10 more we are in same position time to start putting pressure on
i think franchising should allow stability for managers as well as young players imagine if united had got rid of ferguson...they gave him a good 3 years or so before anything happened at all look how that ended up!
and on topic of ferguson forget getting big money manager in give jimmy a chance but get ferguson in as a management consultant in some form of role even just an hour a week we could swap it for united using hj get rid of scousers 2 birds with one stone!'"
To be fair I think you are talking utter codswollop!!
The situation at the end of last season is exactly the same as it is now, nothing has changed other than Nigel Wright. Jimmy has had a full off season with them and they look less organised now than they did then.
Warrington gave Paul Cullen a great deal of time, 6 years in fact and he just got to a point where he struggled to take them any further. Are you suggesting they do the same with Jimmy Lowes?
If we give Jimmy that long we may not get a franchise next time round, clubs need supporters to get a licence well unless you are 20 miles from another club and then anything goes.
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| Be careful what you wish for.
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| Quote ="Geordie"To be fair I think you are talking utter codswollop!!
The situation at the end of last season is exactly the same as it is now, nothing has changed other than Nigel Wright. Jimmy has had a full off season with them and they look less organised now than they did then.
Warrington gave Paul Cullen a great deal of time, 6 years in fact and he just got to a point where he struggled to take them any further. Are you suggesting they do the same with Jimmy Lowes?
If we give Jimmy that long we may not get a franchise next time round, clubs need supporters to get a licence well unless you are 20 miles from another club and then anything goes.'"
Spot on Geordie. Its worrying times at the moment. Put it this way, i would have Cullen instead of Lowes at this time. We will continue to go around in circles unless the club is determined to find a "World Class" coach they promised and ensure that we are going in the right direction.
Lowes just isn't the man, unless something spectacular happens.
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| they gave cullen a bit too long i agree but you can't argue with the transformation that happened at the club the majority of which we have cullen to thank for... he had a big role in both the team turning into a team that could compete in superleague and also a big hand in turning the club into a busines when he was in his marketing role (it seems to me anyway)
jimmy got some great results last season out of a team that was disfunctional when he took charge unfortunately they eventually ran out of steam
don't judge the full pre-season that jimmy has had on the back of 2 games, if we are still struggling to put 80 minutes together after half a dozen games then start getting concerned
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| Quote ="Foz"Be careful what you wish for.'"
Amen.
After reading the comments on here, I expected something more spectactular than what I actually saw. My observations:
1. He looks miserable. He probably is. I get the impression if he could get on with coaching and never do another intreview again he would. I don't criticise him for that other than he needs to be realistic. In 2009, he has to speak with the media.
2. He should have let Anderson answer that question. It made them both look daft. All Anderson would have said is 'we feel we let everyone down, most of all ourselves, we're working hard on the training paddock....yada yada yada.' There should be a little bit of distance between a coach and his players, makes it easier to drop them. He's not supposed to be their mate. Not any more.
3. He seems to take any criticism personally. At the time of writing, he doesn't know he's born. When you consider the crap that Cullen had to put up with for 20 years, he's got it easy.
4. I thought Gary's questions were excellent. He's been criticised on this board my amateurs, telling him a) how to do his job and b) to do it more forcefully. Well, that criticism can't be levelled at him anymore.
Finally, all the above is largely irrelevant if we win. In an ideal world we'd have a media friendly/savvy winning coach. At the minute, I'd take a miserable winner any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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| and for what its worth i think that the so much talked about disruptive influences in our camp are not the long standing squad members, who have been part of teams who have had great enthusiasm and heart (nat wood, danny lima era springs to mind), but some of the more recent additions who seem to have come here eager to do well and performed well in first handful of games but quickly spat dummies out when they realised they weren't enjoying the life they lead and training styles they had when they lived in a certain antipodean region (not naming any names)
i reckon they are the real problem in dressing room, mm seems like a totally arrogant ***** to me. rant over
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| Quote ="tino"
but quickly spat dummies out when they realised they weren't enjoying the life they lead and training styles they had when they lived in a certain antipodean region (not naming any names)
i reckon they are the real problem in dressing room'"
Seeing as they came from Manly and Melbourne, the two best teams in the NRL, they have come from environments where the expectations, training and professionalism were about ten notches above what they are at Warrington. So I wouldn't be surprised if they don't rate what goes on here.
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| Quote ="Rictoria Cat"just looking at his face on garys first line of questioning, he looks like them kids you get on saturday night tv shows, "ooh i'm being recorded and they're expecting a silly answer"
He seems to struggle to give a straight answer, unless he's able to mickey about like last year.
Gary you should've asked him how long the roller coaster is going to be out of order.'"
Agreed. Watching that interview does not give you the impression of a serious coach who expects to be taken seriously, he's one of those who thinks he's funny/smart by giving slightly sarcastic answers to every question. At least when Cullen was in charge he conveyed an honest intensity about the importance of the role, the supporters knew that he took coaching Warrington seriously. Lowes looks like a man whos out of his depth and doesn't care, deep down he knows this is his one chance to coach in SL and he will be here about as long as David Plange. I would rather Plange was coach than Lowes.
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| i think you're being a bit harsh, I'm as disappointed as everyone but the comment with the players letting the coach down was bob on. It's about letting each other down. Also, the 7 game losing run is disappointing but the only losses I'm bothered about are the 2 at the start of this season.
I'm not saying that Lowes is my choice of coach and I believe in what he is doing. If we play that style of rugby week in week out I'll be totally fed up, but the first 50 minutes against Saints were the most controlled I've seen us play for years. We have always had the flair but need the defensive structures to keep teams out.
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| I cant believe the level of criticism continually aimed at Jimmy by our fans. Give the man a chance. Talking about the way he dresses or handles the media? Come on there are more improtant things than that, how he dresses or handles interviews has nothing to do with how he coaches. And as for the press conference, what has he done wrong here? He's had continuous criticism from all angles this season which is only 2 matches long. He's answered all of that and has held his hands up and admitted the mistakes he's made. He's also acknowledged that some players aren't doing enough and has said he's told them in no uncertain terms about that. He believes in the players and so should we. And he's right in saying players shouldn't be dropped after 2 matches. Kev Penny is different. He's young and was perhaps brought in too early too quickly, Jimmy dropped him last year at Castleford remember. Had he turned and said yes I'm dropping player a or b after 2 games then that would prove how out of touch he is. He probably is fed up with all the doom and gloom and from what I see he's simply trying to be as positive as possible with his answers and that is the right thing to do. As for the board, they would have been crucified if they hadn't given Jimmy the job if only for 12 months after his promising start. It's embarrassing at times to be a fan of Warrington looking at the negativitiy surrounding the club which comes form the majority of people in these forums. If someone doesn't perform, the answer isn't to constantly pick holes in everything he does, the answer is to support him and encourage him. Jimmy has got more experieince than anyone who uses this forum, ffs, just for once, back the guy and give him a chance.
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| Quote ="norfolkngood"I cant believe the level of criticism continually aimed at Jimmy by our fans. Give the man a chance. Talking about the way he dresses or handles the media? Come on there are more improtant things than that, how he dresses or handles interviews has nothing to do with how he coaches. And as for the press conference, what has he done wrong here? He's had continuous criticism from all angles this season which is only 2 matches long. He's answered all of that and has held his hands up and admitted the mistakes he's made. He's also acknowledged that some players aren't doing enough and has said he's told them in no uncertain terms about that. He believes in the players and so should we. And he's right in saying players shouldn't be dropped after 2 matches. Kev Penny is different. He's young and was perhaps brought in too early too quickly, Jimmy dropped him last year at Castleford remember. Had he turned and said yes I'm dropping player a or b after 2 games then that would prove how out of touch he is. He probably is fed up with all the doom and gloom and from what I see he's simply trying to be as positive as possible with his answers and that is the right thing to do. As for the board, they would have been crucified if they hadn't given Jimmy the job if only for 12 months after his promising start. It's embarrassing at times to be a fan of Warrington looking at the negativitiy surrounding the club which comes form the majority of people in these forums. If someone doesn't perform, the answer isn't to constantly pick holes in everything he does, the answer is to support him and encourage him. Jimmy has got more experieince than anyone who uses this forum, ffs, just for once, back the guy and give him a chance.'"
To be fair, we haven't won since August last year. That's where a lot of the criticism comes from.
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