But we haven't made wholesale changes since the end of 2008 so it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a best 17!

For all you who think Lowes Is Wrong to Drop Penny. Ask yourself this question.
If Penny was To stand And defend with on Foot to the left of His opposite Winger and never get sucked in would he ever be out of position to Tackle his opposite Number?

No he wouldn't but to continually do that he would be guilty of defending the field rather than defending by reacting to the play.

At least He wouldnt Be running From the Middle of the Field Trying to Stop Ade Gardner Getting in the Corner? He is his own worst enemy

And what exactly was Matt King doing when Pelo breezed in unchallenged on Saturday?

Well its basic Wing play to me

I want King on the wing. Preferably with another wing and a fuselage attached with the words 'Qantas' on the side.

So which one is better - Penny actually making a tackle, albeit sometimes going over the tryline with his opposite number or allowing him to get an offload away - or King, looking totally lost and not laying a finger on anyone?

I just think if you lpay on the wing you should stay on the wing. If matt king did that he wouldnt let anyone through

Jesus wept.

And if Penny did that they would waltz through the 10 metre gap between him and the rest of the defence (King mainly).

I think people need to look a bit further than just King or Penny for the weaknesses on that left hand side. Anderson and Monaghan to be exact.

Everyone is always saying how good our right side is. Well look at the people out there, Hicks, Gleeson, Westwood, Briers. 3 out of 4 of them barely set a foot wrong, ever, yet on the left hand side...

The whole left side needs a shake up, not just the centre and wing

Play what you see. All about making the right decision which many of our players seemingly can't.

Its man marking. You stay 1 foot outside the opposite Winger. Then you aint gonna get caught out. If everyone marked their man there would be no 10 metre gap

In fact this forum Makes me laugh.
Lay off Penny , Lay off Penny. Hes young, Hes Learning.
When are people gonna wake up and realize the Lowes knows better than you keyboard Rugby players and stop being so sentimental?

Make your mind up, you previously said "I just think if you lpay on the wing you should stay on the wing."

But what is Penny supposed to do if three defenders inside him haven't done their job? Just become the scapegoat like he has done.

Crikey, you are even taling to yourself now.

I think you'll find I said keep a foot outside the winger. He aint a scapegoat Just not a good player. wake up

I love watching the game, but have never played it and I confess to knowing very little when it comes to defensive tactics and such.

Are there effectively two different defensive styles - sliding (which would equate to zonal marking in football) and man to man (equates to man to man in football)?

If this is the case, and if we play a sliding defence then is there room to have a wing playing man to man outside of the sliding defence (a bit like you can play zonal in football, but still have one or two players playing man to man too)?

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I don't get this rational that it's either one thing or the other, it can be both and it is. The defence inside of penny is shocking and penny is a poor one on one tackler.

Someone with a bit of Know!

With Kevin Penny you get what you see which is a kid that has pace to burn who has been thrown onto a rugby league field, his positional sense is still poor and he doesn`t seem to be learning a great deal. Chris Riley who has had far less 1st team chances than Kevin Penny has certainly improved at a faster rate of knots, Chris Riley still has things to learn but he has certainly shown more improvement than Kevin Penny in a similar timescale. I`m not knocking Penny as its giving an opinion based on what we have seen of him, i hope he goes on to be a Warrington great but i can`t see it based on what ive seen so far.

Kevin Penny reminds me a lot of Paul White and to some extent Richie Barnett, all 3 of these had one thing in common which was blistering pace but all 3 of them looked like should have been wearing L plates whilst on a rugby league pitch as none of them have looked natural rugby league players. Both Paul White and Richie Barnet found their level at Salford before Barnett was given a 2 year ban for failing a drug test.

Oh, so it's not all Penny's fault then!

Its Pennys Fault He's Been dropped yes

It is also the failure of the team collectively.