Exactly. Patton had 108 games for Warrington including in a side that made the Grand Final.

That's sort of the point - did all that 1st Team experience, surrounded as you say by better players than we've got now, actually help either GOB or Dec Pat develop into the players they could/should have been ?

Is a bit more nurture, outside the current environment, maybe going to allow Dean & Longstaff time to improve in the way Powell wants them too for 2023 and beyond.

Whatever Dean goes on to be he is currently a better option than Ratchford the same goes for Longstaff over Holmes/Currie

Fair enough. Personally I can't see how playing for Hull FC with new teammates and structures is more beneficial than playing for his home town team.

I suspect the issue is that Powell cannot be seen to drop another of his signings to make way.

Is shipping someone out, all be it temporarily a good idea just because it didn't work out with GOB and Patton?

I'd say on balance not and as for why look at your last sentence, "nurture.....improve in the way Powell wants..." 'shirley' better here than a 120 miles away and based on this supposedly being an area of Powell's coaching expertise?

Powell did pick Truman when he was still in the womb, so it's not as if he's unwilling to give youth a chance. He must have his reasons.

We don't know. There are no gurantees, but we do know that without a decent chance to get up to speed, show what he can do and develop in the limelight they we'll never know.

IIRC Trueman made his debut for Cas due to an injury crisis. He scored a hat trick in that game and DP could hardly leave him out after that

Playing with better team mates in a higher standard environment might help him stretch himself.

You are sounding jaded.

Hull FC are just as much a disappointment as we are over the years.

We are and it is.

Long, long overdue changes and shock to the complacent culture where "there or thereabouts" and "going places" was the mantra and blowing smoke up players was the style.

I'm giving Powell time, but if we are not in the top 3 after 6 games of 2023 he can go as the excuses will be gone and he will be proven to be not up to the job. If I cared passionately about Warrington, in the way I did in my callow youth, I would be livid right now.

Wasn’t we still around the top 3 this season by the 6th game?

Just saying.

Can we send Karl back to 2014? Please and thank you.