It's quite conceivable, maybe not in your world of course, that the people saying those things - try and get your head around this for a minute if you can - are actually not the same people

You're missing the point. We haven't won anything else, anything new. There hasn't been progress.

Wire fans don't demand or expect successful seasons....we've endured mediocrity season after season with sporadic dominance.
However we won't put up with the puss taken out of us. Effort must be 100%, we will take the losses graciously...
The issue is...how many dare hold their hand up and say "I gave 100%"?

that is the long and short of it 100% bang on well said

Well said.

I couldn't care less anymore.. bought a season ticket for 4 of this year for the first time... That won't be happening again.. I'll get the kids one, but no way am I ever being locked into this scenario ever again.
If we were at least trying to score, i.e. Wigan.. I could handle it... But it's bordering on match fixing to get the coach sacked...
I heard a rumour at half time at the first home game vs Castleford that We were looking at bringing Craig Bellamy in from Australia next year... If that does happen... This whole mess will make sense at least.

No chance.... Bellamy Signed a contract till the end of next season.
Signing him for 2019 season would be a more likely option (assuming we are still in superleague).
Cronk will leave at the end of this season and you would think Cameron Smith and Billy Slater will consider retiring at the end of the 2018 season as both would be 35 midway through that following season.

would Bellamy want to stay at Melbourne without Cronk Slater and Smith. it would be brave....

Perhaps Tony & Rich would fit in well advising the PM at no 10.

After yesterday's printing money exercise of - 14 at evens on Castleford. This week's appears to be Wigan - 4 at 10/11

Is it just me but I'm kind of enjoying this season. I cant really put my finger on it but its probably the intrigue and the change from the norm that's appealing. Ok we may go down but I don't think we're a financial nut job and so we'll survive and return. It's a big dipper ride and its more exciting than a carousel.

Are you suffering from Stockholm syndrome?

I think it is fair to say that things have not been right at the Wire since Old Trafford against Wigan in 2013. Hodgson was not played & it seems that things have not been smooth with player unrest surfacing at times.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but i think that was when we started on the slippery slope to where we are now.