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"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
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| Quote: rubber duckie "St Pete did you want swapsies for Cunningham?....I'll throw in Agar too!'"
I love KC for what he's done for saints but I'm still on the fence if he's a good coach. In one respect we are top of the league and in another we are playing dull boring rugby abd are giving far to many pens away. Kc took the job a year to early due to Brown going home so I suppose we need to give him time.
Do I think Smith if the better coach ? Yes, 100% better than kc. Would I swap ? No, not yet as im loyal to KC and needs time
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| Quote: Dropkick Murphy "Absolutely spot on. I can only imagine that anybody who genuinely wants Smith to go has either got a very short memory or simply hasn't been watching Wires for very long and is under the delusion that we are some trophy laden giant of rugby league.
I'm as disappointed as anybody with our season this year and our continuing failure to win Super League. The 2013 Grand Final collapse will haunt me until the day we finally win it, if we ever do. However, I also remember waiting until I was 29 years old to see Wires win our first major trophy - ie one that still exists - in my lifetime, and then start challenging the real big clubs - Wigan, Saints and Leeds - on a consistent basis. Obviously I'd put Bradford alongside those three if it wasn't for their recent troubles.
I give one man the credit for that success, and up until recently so did most on here. Yes, Simon Moran has played a big role but we spent money under Cullen too. It was only when we got a real elite coach in that everything changed.
If you're a spoiled kid and want Smith out then I can sort of understand why, although I disagree with you. If you're 25+ and want Smith out then I despair of you.
Smith IN.'"
I'd go along with all of this IF Smith showed any concern or recognition that we are playing like absolute dogdirt this year.
Currently, his media appearances give the impression of a man sleepwalking into crisis and with neither any idea it is happening nor the passion/motivation to sort it out.
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| what about is brother at wakey
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| If Smith goes then we should get the Wizard of Oz in to be coach - just what we need to give the team some heart, brains & courage!
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| Quote: St pete "I'm shocked people are even talking of smith going. He's done terrific job for you and Imo still the best coach in super league.
You can't just sack someone based on one bad season in all the years he's been there. So Imo he deserves next season as well.'"
Well said
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| Quote: Dropkick Murphy "Absolutely spot on. I can only imagine that anybody who genuinely wants Smith to go has either got a very short memory or simply hasn't been watching Wires for very long and is under the delusion that we are some trophy laden giant of rugby league.
I'm as disappointed as anybody with our season this year and our continuing failure to win Super League. The 2013 Grand Final collapse will haunt me until the day we finally win it, if we ever do. However, I also remember waiting until I was 29 years old to see Wires win our first major trophy - ie one that still exists - in my lifetime, and then start challenging the real big clubs - Wigan, Saints and Leeds - on a consistent basis. Obviously I'd put Bradford alongside those three if it wasn't for their recent troubles.
I give one man the credit for that success, and up until recently so did most on here. Yes, Simon Moran has played a big role but we spent money under Cullen too. It was only when we got a real elite coach in that everything changed.
If you're a spoiled kid and want Smith out then I can sort of understand why, although I disagree with you. If you're 25+ and want Smith out then I despair of you.
Smith IN.'"
Summed up my feelings perfectly.
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| I 100% want Smith to stay. I'm just a little concerned that he's not the one really in charge any more.
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| Smith must stay. As a lyric in one of my favourite songs goes "this is your mess I'm stuck in, I really don't belong".
Smith (along with his staff and players) have got us into this state. It's HIS responsibility to get us out of it, and not have some kind of knee-jerk reaction, and turn us into Wigan of the late 90's, when they were going through coaches like Rod Stewart used to go through groupies, when things weren't going their way.
I only have one bugbear with the fella, and that's his recruitment policy (and, at times, the lack of it). Bar Hill, Hodgson and (90% of the time) Ratchford, his transfer dealings have been poor, and recruitment from overseas, likewise. Don't get me started on the obvious situation regarding an aging Briers.
I was of the mind that a few of the posters on here were being a tad paranoid over the recruitment of Agar as his assistant. I'm quickly coming round to their way of thinking. It's a bit more than coincidence, that our decline really "kicked in" when this chancer was brought in. As I said in a post last weekend, I "don't get" that a successful assistant like Poching leaves us to do the same job at a club of a lesser stature (sorry any Rovers fans still on here), Smith's buddy walks through the door, and our attack literally goes to pot, yet we're still playing (at times) hairbrained tactics.
It's quite simple. Smith's messing up. All his previous good work is unravelling in front of his eyes. It's HIS job to get us out of this long standing rut. No-one elses. If we get gubbed by 30 points for 8 games on the bounce, get jibbed out of the cup by Leigh, and barely show any interest in any of the above games, then heads may have to roll.
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| I do agree about Agar. Sheer bad timing on his behalf. I think Agar does possess a quality to build a team, he arrive too late to have a significant influence upon this one.
Perhaps TS does recognise team building is his Achilles heel and brought Agar in to address that?
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| I hope Tony + his mate don't read the comments section on the Guardian website.Not pretty.
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt " It's quite simple. Smith's messing up. All his previous good work is unravelling in front of his eyes. It's HIS job to get us out of this long standing rut. No-one elses. If we get gubbed by 30 points for 8 games on the bounce, get jibbed out of the cup by Leigh, and barely show any interest in any of the above games, then heads may have to roll.'"
His previous good work isn't unraveling - his previous good work is exactly that, previous, for which I'm sure everyone who follows Warrington is grateful. His current work is the problem - he's messing up, as you rightly point out. There have been what, five or six decent performances all season and this needs to be improved upon. He does deserve the opportunity to sort this out, but it looks to me like his tenure at the club is coming to a natural end. We'll see what the end of the season brings, but I don't have a massive amount of confidence that Smith can turn all this round - it might help if he was able to project the impression that he actually gave a e about things.
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| I'd be [ivery[/i interested in Simon Moran's current feelings with the way the team is performing, and the Agar/Smith appointment and dynamic.
Simon is first and foremost a fan, and has been for some time, and is also knowledgeable about the game so I'm sure the sudden, alarming defencies of the team are as apparent to him as anyone on this forum.
Secondly, Simon is a very astute businessman, and his success (as a concert promoter) has been built on giving the public what they want, attracting them and keeping them.
We all know there is a huge mutual respect thing between him and TS, but with his business hat on Simon must be realising that all is not well, and the paying public are not happy. If people were as unhappy with the acts he was promoting as most Wires fans are with the team, and stopped attending gigs as a result, he'd act.
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| Quote: worthing wire "His previous good work isn't unraveling - his previous good work is exactly that, previous, for which I'm sure everyone who follows Warrington is grateful. His current work is the problem - he's messing up, as you rightly point out. There have been what, five or six decent performances all season and this needs to be improved upon. He does deserve the opportunity to sort this out, but it looks to me like his tenure at the club is coming to a natural end. We'll see what the end of the season brings, but I don't have a massive amount of confidence that Smith can turn all this round - it might help if he was able to project the impression that he actually gave a poop about things.'"
tbh, worthing wire, I don't think we've had a "decent performance" (from what we've got used to) for about two years.
Yes, we've done the double over Leeds this season, but we "did a job on them" on both occasions. We're light years behind where we were in 2011 and 12. Smith's inability to replace an ageing Briers has truly ####ed us.
I can still see Smith here in 5 years time. However, the next few weeks are VITAL, as to our current season, and how we recruit for next. Get either wrong, and I don't think Smith will be long for this club. He's treading a fine line.
I do agree with your last sentence, wholeheartedly. I watched his reactions with Angela Powers last night, and was embarrassed by them. He simply smirked his way through the whole interview, a la Tony Blair in his most smug moment, when he (Smith) had nothing to be smug about. Yes, he isn't naturally comfortable in front of cameras, but it was almost as if a 30odd point hammering was a run of the mill occurrence, especially after loving up, the week before,
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| I bet some of these people banging on about loyalty don't go every week. Easy to say from a distance.
This poor form hits harder when stood on the terrace watching home and away.
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| I wonder how many of here wanting Smith out went to Hull KR on Friday?
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