I'm asking you.

Blimey this is sad when this is written by a neutral & rational rugby league fan ... I think it would be fair to say ... that our "fans" are very much part of the problem. Of course they are not the main problem ... but some have definitely played their part in our demise. Some have been negative & cynical for many years and it is never the best way to "support" a team. I remember well being labelled a "happy clapper" after losing in a final. Blimey those happy days!

Someone mentioned ,a few pages back, about our one off great victory at Wembley where we raised our game & wouldn't let Saints get into their stride. When i went to Wembley that day i would have been happy limiting our loss to 30 points because we had been so bad in the league prior to our great day out. I don't mind saying ,i was shocked when we won & the two Saints fans i travelled with were dumbstruck on the way home ,no doubt thinking up excuses as to why Saints were so bad that they lost the match.

My point is that even in what now seem the heady days of Price ,the team were still capitulating in games, losing games that with a bit more enthusiasm & application we should have won. Before Wembley & again after Wembley we really were rubbish & for quite a lot of matches we threw the towel in too easily.

Obviously, the present team must be cut to ribbons confidence wise especially after so many changes in the dressing room but some of them are still remnants of the squad that let us down in the last days of Smith & under Price. I do still wonder if it is a fitness problem though or just motivational.

I did apologise for confusing posts.

I said Jesus wept, it's hardly an insult, but if you're offended by that then apologies.

That wasn't the comment I was referring to. Revisit your posts to me, and mine to you, as that will help you to understand where I'm coming from.

Were all on the same side, and non of us want the Wire to go down, or be worse off than we were under previous regimes etc. etc. but we all have a different view of how this should be achieved, and an individual right to it.

Your insults only hand credibility to those supporters who don't match up your benchmark, of what their behaviour should be when watching a live game, especially when used in a scattergun way.

Regardless of what the fans think of Powell and what’s going on there. The players maybe aren’t playing for Powell, we don’t know whether that’s the case- but what’s clear is that the players aren’t playing for you the fans either, and why would they!
Compare that to Wakefield who are in a dire position, with a poor coach very much out of his depth, and it’s clear that those players - many of them in key positions it appears are leaving that club at the end of the season, are very much playing for the fans.

Isn't this discussion about the fans being the problem of our teams demise just a distraction for where the responsibility really lies?
Between games the coaching staff spend several days, several hours per day with the players. You know, coaching!
There will always be some nutters following any team, let's face it, we have had a few... But most fans booing a
performance are upset because of what has been delivered on the pitch. If the team has not been prepared properly, supporters have very right to be upset.
Some of those who are now slagging off the fans and are now saying support the team and players are the ones who have been accusing most of the team as bad apples, !azy couldn't care less individuals.
You can't have it both ways!

Everton fan here who can speak on the whole relegation and sacking saga...

By the way, I actually went to the home game vs Saints over the last game vs Crystal Palace, so it was ALMOST worth it. I am a Season Ticket holder for Everton and Wire so I saw the change in the culture from club to fans...

For months we saw our Team (Everton) playing some utterly garbage football, week in week out. Poor squad selections, negative formations, complete inability to defend from set-pieces. Lampard comes in and we get 2 solid results, plus decent looking performances. Even competing with Man City for 85 minutes... Which was our equivalent to the Wire game vs Saints. BUT, we still let in numerous goals from set-pieces which cost us big games. So results-wise, it wasn't that different.

If anyone heard Sean Dyche's comment about Everton, saying "I don't think these guys know how to win", that's exactly what it felt like to me. And that's exactly where Wire are now... We can take whatever lead we like but we have the overwhelming feeling that we are about to mess it up.

After 5 weeks under Lampard, the football had to be reverted to a Sam Allardyce style, so we didn't look any better then we did under Benitez. And I don't think Wire would look any better with a new coach right now either, and Everton still lost big games and looked shocking under Lampard at times. BUT, the difference was home games. As Everton fans, we had the collective feeling that Goodison was going to be our fortress and our players will get 100% from us and we expect 100% effort in return. As soon as we conceded a goal, we remained quiet as expected but as the cheering from opposition wore off, the crowd got back on side with the players, because they needed us. They'd been humiliated all season, so they needed us backing them, to get their heads focused on the fight.

And that's what the Warrington players need too. We only have 2 home games left, but we have got to be fully onside with the players, including during bad performances. Whoever has the drum needs to be going for close to 80 minutes. We need the South Stand making noise constantly, and we have to get behind the players when they make a mistake, concede a try, or lose the lead. We might only need 4 points to stay up, and the best way for that to happen is to do everything that we can to get ourselves those wins at home. Even if that doesn't happen, they need to know that we're still with them when playing away.

The Halliwell Jones Stadium has got to become a fortress. We must get behind the players for everything. Even after mistakes, they need to know that we are still there for them.

For Everton, the performances were hard to watch, but for the sake of our club, we had to change our attitude from the booing and shouting. It had to be done. Wherever you stand on Powell, that doesn't matter. It wasn't even about Lampard anymore. It was just about showing the players that their fans believed in them.

I know money is tight for everyone right now, but if you can afford to go to the last home games, please do. We need attendance, we need noise, and we need positivity. Criticism is understandable, which Everton players got online, but at the games, we're there until the end.

"Wire till I die" has never been so important.

Moran just needs to tell Fitzo to get the Wad out at half time in the next two home matches



It’ll be fine



It’s a Muckers thing, always worked in the past

Re our fans, yeah we do have some total plumbs watching us, every team does. There are your perennial miseries standing on the terraces at every club in the league, moaning for the full 80 minutes.

Now I've never been one to boo the team off, just not my thing, but I don't kick off when others do, it's their money, their choice (as long as it doesn't get personal). Especially this season, which has been genuinely appalling week after week. I don't even remember feeling this depressed about the Wire standing watching us at Wilderspool in 2002. Its a genuine mess.

The frustrations from the fans have just reached boiling point this season, thats all. We were promised a rebuild, and have basically got in return a total hatchet job on the squad, a poorly coached squad, and a squad that could genuinely now go down. I wouldn't mind if we were 6th/7th, but all of us absolutely terrified at this stage of the season of going down? Nah, just not good enough I'm afraid.

Do you also think that part of the problem is a good number of our players have had smoke blown up their s for a decade and perhaps have become a bit entitled and think they are better than they are and don't need to work hard to keep their place? Lauded on facebook and the Warrington Guardian as "heros". More interested in their instagram posts and likes?

As for cynical fans, everytime Wire run out to start a game there is rapturous applause. If the crowd turn its because what is on show is dire and has been for a long time. The crap starts on the field before the terraces.

But the good news is this "warrington terrible negative fans" issue will be a self limiting problem as our fanbase continues to dwindle.

Ps: did our performances improve in 2020 when games were played in empty stadiums due to covid and no nasty spectators? I cant recall.

Highlights https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... highlights

Highlights https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... highlights

Not an Everton fan, but do you think the atmosphere at Goodison would’ve been what it was towards the end of the season had Rafa Benitez still been in charge? Or would the discontent and the frustrations on the terraces towards the manager, the board and team, which was ongoing for sometime, still have been evident?

It's definitely possible. Lampard did seem to help in changing the atmosphere. But he was brought in with 4 or 5 months to go. Not with 8 weeks left.

As I mention, at a certain point, the performances looked no better under Lampard then they did Benitez. So that's kind of my reasoning for sacking Powell now maybe not being that ideal. As there are still going to be underlying issues...

Everton - Losing big games in the last 10 minutes. And unable to defend set-pieces.
Wire - Losing big games in the last 10-20 minutes. And unable to defend the line.

We were still a very bad team even under Lampard. The main catalyst for the fight, sprit and desire to keep going was ultimately the fans getting behind the team.

Maybe putting someone else in charge would spur the team on to win the next few games to keep us up. And in doing so, will keep fans spirits up.

But since Everton fans were never exactly welcoming to Benitez, Wire fans were still somewhat excited about the prospect of Powell taking us to the next step with a rebuild, the board won't realistically remove Powell. He's still capable of getting us to score points, we just can't defend and we forfeit leads too easily. As much as the fight should come from the coach, it's just not happening, so from experience, it falls on us.

So either fans need to make a massive protest now to get Powell out, and not just say it on Forums and Social Media, but a full on protest to make it happen as the club probably won't at this stage. If fans aren't going to do that, then we do kind of need to put the complaining aside for now, just at the stadium, until we get through this mess.

With all due respect you can't compare these clubs in terms of fans expectations.

Wakey play in a ground that looks like downtown Baghdad, with a bang average team (Bar 2 diamonds) on a budget of about 68p and no hope of finishing above mid table at best every year.

Wire however play and train in state of the art facilities, we are bank rolled by two multi-millionaires with a team (on paper at least) that some clubs can only dream of. We are littered with internationals and marquee names who until recently, were not expected to finish outside the top 4 at the bare minimum.

So you see, Wakey fans are happy to accept mediocrity and spend every season waiting for those or or two "big" wins, because that's as good as it gets. Wire fans however (or the ones with any sense at least), demand more from the players and the club because when you have a team with the names and talent like we do, and the amount of money and investment that's been pumped into the club; plus the recent history of success with the LLS and the Challenge cup. That's where the bar should be set.

And if the players cant handle criticism and frustration from the fans after only winning 4 games from the last 19, then they aren't in the right job. 8th time this season I think it is we've blown a 2 score lead in the last 15 minutes. You can't put any blame on the fans here. The fans on the whole have stuck with the lads all season but this last month has been the straw that's broken even the most staunchest "Real fans" back. Enough is enough.

Spot on fella.

Please point out the insult if you don't mind.

Totally agree..the paying spectator pays his money to be entertained and we are clearly not being entertained

Shame we can't transfer out some of our fans. Over the past 2/3/4/5 weeks, I don't think I've read, on any forum, such spoilt, self entitled drivel - even on redvee. Even on Redcafe (I'm not a Utd fan), the forum for one of the largest sporting entities; one of the most successful entities; I haven't read so much disdain and self entitlement.

If we do go down, which I don't think we will; the one crumb of comfort will be to know that our sizable contingent of moaning fans will be peeved off.

As a club, our fans could learn quite a few lessons from proper supporters like Everton (I'm not an Everton fan).

You got a season ticket mate?

and there you have it you EXPECT. you have no right to expect anything, you have just described your club trying to buy success from a bunch of mercenaries who get paid but have no love for your club and will receive none in return.
You still even in this post look down on another club who have beaten you three times this season and may well have saved themselves from being sent down by doing just that - and have put you in the position you find yourselves in! they have done that by sticking together (and I have no love for Wakefield - cant stand the club and are willing them to finally go down this season, but credit where its due!)
When you haven't got what you wanted you have had behaved like spoilt kids and had a tantrum. ........and yet you expect the players to behave any less entitled than you.......... says it all really.

No, because of my work patterns. Is that ok with you mate?

Good God, imagine having to work with the bellend??

Try getting a circus season ticket.

Lol