FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Warrington Wolves > Education, Education, Education
17 posts in 2 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16257
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10289_1326111229.png
Challenge Cup winners 2009 2010 2012 2019 League Leaders 2011 2016:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10289.png



Every year we go through this silly game of pretending our squad is "man for man, better than Saints/Wigan", with the number of "England internationals" brought up (how many of them have actually been successful at international level? that's a more telling measure). We extend various players' contracts to baying applause from the sheep on here about how we're set up for success in the future, and talk like we're within touching distance of being a Grand Final team and only need the right coach.

Also every year, we have a few moments of clarity, usually when we lose a big game, where someone brings a reality check to the forum (usually lefty) and in the aftermath of the defeat, people will read it and think "he's not wrong you know".

We have a squad full of senior players who are not leaders, they play well when things are going well but when things go against us, a lot of them go anonymous together. Too many of our players are bigger "names" than they are performers, which brings me back to the whole "England internationals" argument. It's not a squad set up to win the Grand Final. I'm not saying you'd need to do a total overhaul, we could win a Grand Final with some of these guys in the team, but we need to get much better at recruitment - find the diamonds in the rough, players who are going to play better with us than they have done with their former clubs, rather than "England internationals" whose careers have plateaued or are in slow decline.

The one cause for hope I have is Powell, if we let him have significant influence over recruitment. I posted once before about the Leeds side he took over from Dean Lance and the moves he made to reshape that squad between 2001 and 2003. It is really instructive if you look at the guys who he moved on and the guys he brought in. Leeds under Lance had a lot of the same type of players that current Wire do. Also his first four years at Cas between 2013 and 2017...when you look at that squad that dominated the league season and reached the GF in 2017 (playing outstanding rugby), it featured players who weren't really seen as big names a few years before, he improved players that were already there and he brought in the right type of players who fit the type of rugby he wanted to play.

Powell will come in as an outsider without history and loyalty to these players and he doesn't seem like the type to be impressed by bullpoopers or go doing false hype fluff pieces for the Warrington Guardian about how fantastic our squad is to sell season tickets, he will see the players for what they are, as he did when he coached against them.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3084No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Oct 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
68310_1347387017.jpeg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68310.jpeg



But taking Cooper and Hill out of the pool, of the rest only Mulhearn is currently offering any go-forward.

Philbin has flatlined a little, Butler is a work in progress and Akuola is well, lacking in stamina to be polite.

However, I do think Powell will already be looking at the squad with objective, dispassionate eyes and seeing where the gaps and weaknesses are, and has probably identified far more than us.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member7331
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2074_1714824298.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2074.jpg



Quote: sally cinnamon "The one cause for hope I have is Powell, if we let him have significant influence over recruitment. I posted once before about the Leeds side he took over from Dean Lance and the moves he made to reshape that squad between 2001 and 2003. It is really instructive if you look at the guys who he moved on and the guys he brought in. Leeds under Lance had a lot of the same type of players that current Wire do. Also his first four years at Cas between 2013 and 2017...'"


Don't forget Powell won nothing at Leeds, and he's still won nothing significant at Cas (this may change soon if the 'S' choke). It was only really in 2003 under Powell that Leeds looked like they could be contenders, but even then we were way off, and lost 5 times in a season to the Bulls. Powell was okay for us but I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that he built Tony Smith's team. Smith added Bai, Lauitiiti and gave the team the x-factor that had been missing for 32 years.

Don't get me wrong, I think Powell has worked wonders at Cas, and I'd rather he came back to Leeds instead of who we have now. But he wasn't the super coach at Leeds that some make him out to be. If anything he repaired the damage of the Lance years, but as a recruiter the real stand out was Graham Murray (RIP), who preceded Lance.

CW8
RankPostsTeam
International Star3948
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 201311 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Exeter Rhino "Don't forget Powell won nothing at Leeds, and he's still won nothing significant at Cas (this may change soon if the 'S' choke). It was only really in 2003 under Powell that Leeds looked like they could be contenders, but even then we were way off, and lost 5 times in a season to the Bulls. Powell was okay for us but I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that he built Tony Smith's team. Smith added Bai, Lauitiiti and gave the team the x-factor that had been missing for 32 years.

Don't get me wrong, I think Powell has worked wonders at Cas, and I'd rather he came back to Leeds instead of who we have now. But he wasn't the super coach at Leeds that some make him out to be. If anything he repaired the damage of the Lance years, but as a recruiter the real stand out was Graham Murray (RIP), who preceded Lance.'"


Fair points, I do think that Powell is a better coach now than he was at Leeds though. Got to respect him for stepping down to fev after that dissapontment and continuing his coaching development. FWIW Tony Smith finished the job and others are involved behind the scenes but Powell was definitely a part of that journey.

I think it's a great fit for us really, his attitude towards entertaining rugby is right and his reputation as a coach that hasn't won anything should make his as hungry for success as we are.

RankPostsTeam
International Star30200No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201311 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons1949_files/3947-1360Zapper-msnicons.jpg
:icons1949_files/3947-1360Zapper-msnicons.jpg



Quote: CW8 "Fair points,

As a coach that hasn't won anything should make his as hungry for success as we are.'"


I think Powell and the Cas team will win this year`s Challenge Cup.

CW8
RankPostsTeam
International Star3948
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 201311 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Boss Hog "I think Powell and the Cas team will win this year`s Challenge Cup.'"


I certainly hope so. Its an unfair stick to beat him with really with all due respect to cas, what he has done there is great. They have mixed it with the serious winners on lower budget with smaller squads.

17 posts in 2 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
17 posts in 2 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


1.8466796875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rhyse Martin Out 2025
Seth
61
4m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
2668
7m
Dewsbury away
Trojan Horse
9
8m
Oh when the Saints
bonaire
70
10m
New 4-year deal for Marshall
Jason65
6
11m
Round 20 Salford away 3/8/24
ArthurClues
13
13m
Bums on seats
bonaire
45
13m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Jack Burton
2022
16m
Tonights match v HKR
wirecation
8
31m
Squad 2024
faxcar
624
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
44s
Todays chairmans address
terry silver
22
46s
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
61038
54s
Tonights match v HKR
wirecation
8
58s
FIELD
NickyKiss
103
59s
Dewsbury away
Trojan Horse
9
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
rubber ducki
2867
1m
Planning for next season
LeythIg
38
1m
Round 20 Salford away 3/8/24
ArthurClues
13
1m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
38785
1m
New 4-year deal for Marshall
Jason65
6
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
cats
the-bearded-
1
TODAY
Tonights match v HKR
wirecation
8
TODAY
New 4-year deal for Marshall
Jason65
6
TODAY
Keelan Foster
AdamH
3
TODAY
Jose Kenga
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Deadline day signings
Bully_Boxer
10
TODAY
Prediction Competition Week 21 plus rearranged game
kaybenbull
3
TODAY
Panthers v Knights
terry silver
9
TODAY
Barrow A
Maccbull_Big
9
TODAY
RFL disciplinary double standards
faxcar
1
TODAY
5 countries tender bids to host the 2030 RLWC
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Jack Welsby out for 8 weeks with injury
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Dewsbury away
Trojan Horse
9
TODAY
Josh Jones
The Avenger
4
TODAY
Todays chairmans address
terry silver
22
TODAY
Mid Season fans forum
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
Winslade's O
28
TODAY
Josh Jones
CarlB
7
TODAY
Lannon
faxcar
4
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information 3/8/24
YosemiteSam
5
TODAY
Dons v Toulouse Saturday 10/8/24
Jemmo
6
TODAY
Sheffield v Dons Sunday 4/8/24 3pm
Double Movem
1
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity songs
JINJER
2
TODAY
Jeylon Hodgson
AdamH
4
TODAY
Squads - Tigers v Leopards
doc999
15
TODAY
Jarrod Sammut
dddooommm
19
TODAY
ONeil out long term
NickyKiss
11
TODAY
Burgess signs extension till 26
wire2004
13
TODAY
Lewis Baxter
Jemmo
1
TODAY
Huddsh
Simba16
50
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wakefield Trinity Back to Winn..
729
Catalans Dragons Defeat Hull F..
681
Salford Move Closer To Play Of..
717
Warrington Wolves Humiliate Wi..
784
Bill Arthur Rest In Peace..
582
Rhinos Comfortably Win Scrappy..
810
Battling Tigers Beat The Drago..
1026
Hull KR Defeat Leeds In Headin..
1079
Twelve Man Warrington Stun Sai..
1063
2024 State of Origin - Game 3 ..
1398
Wakefield March On With Win Ov..
1697
Catalans Dragons Swap Places W..
1690
KR win the Hull Derby to Into ..
1718
Wigan Warriors Extend League L..
1806
Warrington Wolves Into Second ..
1546
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.61M +13,274 80,09114,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
     National Rugby League 2024-R22
 FT
Hover 
NZ Warriors
20-30
Parramatta
 FT
Hover 
Dolphins
34-40
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20

 
20:00
Warrington
0-10
Hull KR
May Try, Not Converted
 TOMORROW
     National Rugby League 2024-R22
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Brisbane
08:30
Melbourne
v
St.George
10:35
Cronulla
v
Souths
     Womens Super League 2024-R10
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
LeedsW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
15:00
Hull FC
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2024-R20
15:00
Swinton
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
17:30
Salford
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R22
05:00
Penrith
v
Newcastle
07:05
Canterbury
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R10
12:00
BarrowW
v
St.HelensW
12:00
Wire W
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Hudds W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
15:00
LondonB
v
Catalans
       League One 2024-R18
15:00
Keighley
v
Newcastle
15:00
Oldham
v
Midlands
15:00
Rochdale
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Crusaders
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 2nd Aug
SL
20:00
Warrington0-10Hull KR
Sat 3rd Aug
SL
15:00
Hull FC-St.Helens
SL
17:30
Salford-Leeds
Sun 4th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Catalans
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 2nd Aug
SL
LIVE
Warrington0-10Hull KR
NRL
LIVE
NZ Warriors20-30Parramatta
NRL
LIVE
Dolphins34-40Sydney
Thu 1st Aug
SL 20 Castleford10-20Leigh
SL 20 Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Hull KR 20 491 255 236 30
Warrington 20 498 255 243 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
Toulouse 16 468 220 248 23
Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
Swinton 17 342 422 -80 12
Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
Dewsbury 18 224 560 -336 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rhyse Martin Out 2025
Seth
61
4m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
2668
7m
Dewsbury away
Trojan Horse
9
8m
Oh when the Saints
bonaire
70
10m
New 4-year deal for Marshall
Jason65
6
11m
Round 20 Salford away 3/8/24
ArthurClues
13
13m
Bums on seats
bonaire
45
13m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Jack Burton
2022
16m
Tonights match v HKR
wirecation
8
31m
Squad 2024
faxcar
624
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
44s
Todays chairmans address
terry silver
22
46s
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
61038
54s
Tonights match v HKR
wirecation
8
58s
FIELD
NickyKiss
103
59s
Dewsbury away
Trojan Horse
9
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
rubber ducki
2867
1m
Planning for next season
LeythIg
38
1m
Round 20 Salford away 3/8/24
ArthurClues
13
1m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
38785
1m
New 4-year deal for Marshall
Jason65
6
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
cats
the-bearded-
1
TODAY
Tonights match v HKR
wirecation
8
TODAY
New 4-year deal for Marshall
Jason65
6
TODAY
Keelan Foster
AdamH
3
TODAY
Jose Kenga
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Deadline day signings
Bully_Boxer
10
TODAY
Prediction Competition Week 21 plus rearranged game
kaybenbull
3
TODAY
Panthers v Knights
terry silver
9
TODAY
Barrow A
Maccbull_Big
9
TODAY
RFL disciplinary double standards
faxcar
1
TODAY
5 countries tender bids to host the 2030 RLWC
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Jack Welsby out for 8 weeks with injury
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Dewsbury away
Trojan Horse
9
TODAY
Josh Jones
The Avenger
4
TODAY
Todays chairmans address
terry silver
22
TODAY
Mid Season fans forum
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
Winslade's O
28
TODAY
Josh Jones
CarlB
7
TODAY
Lannon
faxcar
4
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information 3/8/24
YosemiteSam
5
TODAY
Dons v Toulouse Saturday 10/8/24
Jemmo
6
TODAY
Sheffield v Dons Sunday 4/8/24 3pm
Double Movem
1
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity songs
JINJER
2
TODAY
Jeylon Hodgson
AdamH
4
TODAY
Squads - Tigers v Leopards
doc999
15
TODAY
Jarrod Sammut
dddooommm
19
TODAY
ONeil out long term
NickyKiss
11
TODAY
Burgess signs extension till 26
wire2004
13
TODAY
Lewis Baxter
Jemmo
1
TODAY
Huddsh
Simba16
50
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wakefield Trinity Back to Winn..
729
Catalans Dragons Defeat Hull F..
681
Salford Move Closer To Play Of..
717
Warrington Wolves Humiliate Wi..
784
Bill Arthur Rest In Peace..
582
Rhinos Comfortably Win Scrappy..
810
Battling Tigers Beat The Drago..
1026
Hull KR Defeat Leeds In Headin..
1079
Twelve Man Warrington Stun Sai..
1063
2024 State of Origin - Game 3 ..
1398
Wakefield March On With Win Ov..
1697
Catalans Dragons Swap Places W..
1690
KR win the Hull Derby to Into ..
1718
Wigan Warriors Extend League L..
1806
Warrington Wolves Into Second ..
1546


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!