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Quote: scottty "I cant believe i'm going to say this but maybe Patton is the answer to both our problems... his tactical kicking is the best in the current squad of players and he's the most natural goal kicker in the team... for these reasons he'd be starting at 7 for me ahead of Brown....

His main issue seems to be lack of consistency... fantastic one week, invisible the next.. reminds me of a certain someone in his earlier pre-Tony Smith days (but not as good obviously ha ha)'"


Agree 100% with this. I would still like to see Blake and Brown start as our two halves, but Brown to be rotated for a handful of games and see this season transition Patton in, giving him a real go at staking his place in the team, ready for a first choice shirt next season. I suspect Price never really saw him as an interchange 9, but it was the easiest way to give him minutes last season.

Quote: scottty "It's when you can actually see the margin is so small, it puts to say we should be carry a goal kicker into perspective.
No we don't....we only need to increase the frequency of efforts for the kicker to put pressure on him to make it difficult to keep it up....then he'll get even better.'"


And 100% on this - it's not as if we've got Westwood as our number 1 kicker - a number of our kickers are good enough - the issue is we have [ikickers[/i, not a kicker. We just need to nail the kicking duties to one guy, with a couple of able deputies.

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Quote: Alffi_7 "We currently have a squad of 30 players, with allegedly room for one more.

Some points around Salary Cap and the reserves

- The highest paid 25 players count on the cap, whether they play a game or not.
- A player outside of the 25 would count on the cap if they played a SL or Challenge Cup game (but note the two exceptions below).
- A player under 21, who isn't one of the top 25 earners does not count on the cap.
- A player who earns less than £20k does not count on the cap.
- Also a player not in the top 25 earners, who never plays a first team game, will not count on the cap.

So while there is obviously a financial cost for running a reserves side, it need not impact on the salary cap.'"

Then why bother if we are trying not to play those exceptions

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Quote: rubber duckie "'Yes you would'
30 you said....is that not an increase of our Base 1st team squad of around 25 players?
I'm pretty sure you can do the maths.... they will come off the cap no?'"



Our squad is currently 30.

"I'm pretty sure you can do the maths", take away a match day 17 from 30 and that means the 'A team' would need to find 4 more players. take into an account of injuries ect, an squad of 40 players could sufficietly field 2 teams a week.

30 from 40 is??? 10 players like I said.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Then why bother if we are trying not to play those exceptions'"


We want to play the exceptions, the likes of Wigan must have done very well with U21's coming in to the first team squad and not counting on the cap, but we need them to be ready for the first team when they are called upon.

The club believe a reserve competition is the best way to turn 19 - 23 year olds in to regular first team players. As a bonus it also keeps fringe players match fit and allows players returning from long term injury somewhere to play rather than being thrown straight back in to first team action.

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Quote: Paul Youane "Get rid of the scholarship - leave players with their community clubs until they sign professional with a club. That increases the quality and number of junior teams and avoids players becoming disenchanted with the game if they miss out on scholarship whilst creating a pathway to open age amateur rugby and an affinity with an amateur team, hopefully increasing the numbers playing at that age.

One academy age group at u18's. Avoids three age groups contesting spaces in one team which restricts game time for young players.

Have an u23's or u21's league with say 5 overage players permitted - in effect a reserve league in all but name.

Compulsory running of the two teams for all Super League teams. Abolish dual registration, use the loan system (minimum one month) if you need to.

The recent "reserve" fixtures were generally low quality with Warrington often resorting to borrowing Rochdale's squad players to make up numbers. I seem to recall in the last season we ran a team our match against Wigan was cancelled twice (and never actually played) as Wigan couldn't raise a team!'"



I think the reason we have seen a plunge in the quality of rugby league in the UK is down to the low numbers of school age kids playing the game. Fewer players coming through results in fewer SL quality players at the top of the pyramid. For some time there have been club reports of matches being played with only 13 aside and even a few with 11/12 a side. I think releasing the Scholarship players back to their clubs will help somewhat, but lets remember that they only play 6 competitive games for the U16's during the year anyway. And of course ideally we also want the best quality coaches (Wire ?) overseeing their development if possible such that we at least get the full potential from the smaller numbers that continue to play.

If we had plenty of youngsters we could have U16, U18, U21 and Reserve sides, but we don't. So the problem we face is not really about what age groups we need, it's how do we get more local youngsters playing the game. Until we ( all RL clubs) solve that one we will continue to see 35/36 year old players extending their contracts and more poor quality matches being played out. If the sport fails to hold the interests of the viewing public we could easily see a fall in the Sky monies that underpin the game over here, or as has recently been announced with the Sky cycling team (with Froome and Thomas), Sky could pull out altogether.

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Quote: moving on... "Our squad is currently 30.

"I'm pretty sure you can do the maths", take away a match day 17 from 30 and that means the 'A team' would need to find 4 more players. take into an account of injuries ect, an squad of 40 players could sufficietly field 2 teams a week.

30 from 40 is??? 10 players like I said.'"


I think to be successful and not come up short towards the back end of the season injury and fitness you would need 45-50 players in the squad. We got 30 now for one team and still get headaches injury wise through the season how will ha bing another 17 members of the squad playing a competitive game help this? We will have 34 players in a 40 player squad playing competitive games every week how many will be fit come the end of the year.

I want every team to have a reserve team but not if its not practical financially.

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