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Great post.

Myler had a better second half than the first half, but I really don't understand what TS is wanting him to do, if he's there to organise then let him do it and don't make it the McGuire + Sinfield show as neither of them stepped upto the mark against France imo.

Burrow (and i'm painfully aware of Burrow's failings in internationals) or Brough would have been a better option, but we are where we are.

Lets hope that if we continue to play with the same structure, that McGuire and Sinfield can step up to the plate and actually deliver internationally what they've done so well at club level (I know that's harsh on McGuire as to be fair he's been far better than Sinfield on the international stage).

In an ideal world for me, Tomkins + Myler at 6&7 with Eastmond at FB or centre - I just think it's too soon for the 3 of them to have to run it for England yet. Sinfield at 13 until their kicking games develop further and we can get a hooker who can kick as well as scoot (really our scooters need to take at look at the NRL and figure out what a hooker is actually supposed to do)

How did you come to the conclusion that Tomkins and Eastmond are better then?

I like Myler and I don't think there should even be a Vs Tomkins or Eastmond debate, the future is all 3 of them.

But if you're going to put gash like that in your sig, you may also want to include

Tomkins
Drop Goals 1
Meters 1431
Carries 215
Tackles 328
Offloads 7
Attacking Kicks 77
Runs from dummy half 20
Tackle Busts 58
Marker tackles 55
Clean Breaks 18
Forty twenty 2
Kicks in general play 123
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 43
Errors 10
Penalties 10
Red cards 0
Yellow cards 1

Myler
0 Drop Goals
1095 Meters
158 Carries
181 Tackles
9 Offloads
75 Attacking Kicks
3 Runs from dummy half
28 Tackle Busts
16 Marker tackles
12 Clean Breaks
0 Forty twenty
128 Kicks in general play
0 Missed goals
39 Missed tackles
18 Errors
8 Penalties
0 Red cards
0 Yellow cards

At least you're comparing their full games then instead of just looking at try assists, but nuff said right?

Tbh the whole debate is bloody stupid, and the sooner that [isome[/i Wigan, Warrington and Saints fans stop it and get behind our good young players the better - it's like bloody school kids from the fans, whereas the players actually get along well.

this whole debate is turning into my dads bigger than your dad.

Exactly the point i was trying to make, the whole thing is totally ridiculous, they don't even play in the same way, and they're all the future of England backs, and i'd really like to see Ratchford get involved soon as well.

Tries and assists combined which is what you want from your halfback, like i've said previously if you measure Tomkins on his metres and tackle busts then play him at prop. I agree with what you say to an extent, it isn't helped when numpty Wigan fans flood our board slagging off our coach and young prodigy, the natural reaction is to defend.

Well for a start there's 2 positions in the halves, and at international level you need one of them to be able to tackle well and also attack the line and make line breaks and line break assists, oh and acutally kick a 40/20

when looking at stats Leon Pryce blew them both away this season and didn't get a selection so we know its never all about the stats

But there we go again, it's drawing into a comparison when they are different (and complimentary players).

And honestly mate it's not just numpty Wigan fans, you should check out a few of the utter Wire pillocks who live to have a go on our boards, and also say they want to seem him get smashed etc.

I just wish they'd bugger off (all sides) and allow actual discussions about rugby

Tomkins is a class player, agree with what you say in terms of we should be supporting both.

Absolutely mate, Myler is a class player to and i reckon over time they will make a good halfback pairing for England. And yeah we really should be supporting both, and finding a clear role for Eastmond as well as he's got fantastic ability (He'd be great at FB with Tomkins and Myler at 6 & 7)

Same old story with some of our posters on this site. Any chance to run a Warrington player down. No doubt they will quote themselves as 'realists' but when push comes to shove it's the same old stuff with just a different players name in the post.