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F**king fuming.

Koukash is killing us

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I'm sorry,but I don't quite understand your annoyance.
The academy under Alan Hunte was poor,and was reflected in checks that were reported this season by the RFL.
Six months improvement under the changed management I m sorry does not warrant No1 status.It will require sustained improvement,which the club is saying it is committed to.

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Quote: lou kate "I'm sorry,but I don't quite understand your annoyance.
The academy under Alan Hunte was poor,and was reflected in checks that were reported this season by the RFL.
Six months improvement under the changed management I m sorry does not warrant No1 status.It will require sustained improvement,which the club is saying it is committed to.'"


Of course nothing to be annoyed about everything is rosy. Don't know what I'm worried about.

Koukash has had 3 years to build up the academy set up and we're now playing in the lower reaches just like we were when he took over. Where's the improvement? He's got them a new playing kit that's about. Pull the other one Lou Kate.

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Please read what I wrote,and not what you wanted to see!
I am no apologist for Dr Koukash.
We do not deserve No1 status,he has removed the man in charge,having given him the opportunity to get it right,what more can he do?
' Pull the other one ' don't understand your comment,you are obviously too knowledgeable for me to disagree with you.
Best wishes.

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Quote: lou kate "Please read what I wrote,and not what you wanted to see!
I am no apologist for Dr Koukash.
We do not deserve No1 status,he has removed the man in charge,having given him the opportunity to get it right,what more can he do?
' Pull the other one ' don't understand your comment,you are obviously too knowledgeable for me to disagree with you.
Best wishes.'"


Marwan Koukash has been in charge now for 3 years. When he took over the academy had rightly been relegated because we didn't know if we'd even have a first team let alone an academy.

Marwan Koukash has to take responsibility for not giving us the proper resources, Alan Hunte could only work with what he was given. Marwan made promises about building a centre of excellence and building a top academy (another one of his pipe dreams). Now things like a decent academy don't happen over night and indeed can take many many years, but he's had 3 years to invest in the right facilities, in the community game and in the academy coaching staff and we've not improved a jot. Questions have to be asked why 3 years later there is still no improvement? Why were we still classed as very weak in our last academy assessment, the same as we were in 2012, 2013 and 2014?

Marwan has totally overlooked the importance of having a strong academy. Do you honestly think in 12 months times anything will have changed? I don't believe a word the club says quite frankly.

The assessment is based on more than just winning games (Gleeson and co have done a great job with that), its based on the whole set up and the whole set up of the club at the moment is a joke never mind just the academy. And it's down to one person. Marwan Koukash.

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Ave it, can I interest you in a Marwan Koucash specific Christmas card?

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Quote: Michigan red "Ave it, can I interest you in a Marwan Koucash specific Christmas card?'"


Yeah so I can my wipe a*se on it. Thanks

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Ave It,you always put is as you see it and most of the regulars will feel the same about our club.

Before Marwan came on board we had 30+years of mis-management with the youth/academy set up so 3 years is a pretty short time to sort things out.

There have been several mistakes made and Marwan has been given some poor/bad advice over matters that he entrusted to others and he has made a rod for his own back by his use of social media and his unusual press conferences but if he had not come on the scene this topic would not have be aired because the club wouldn't be around to pass comment on.

Back to the academy set up ,I agree that off what I know Alan Hunte did a great job for many years with little resources and it appears that currently the resources have increased over many areas but improvement is still required,hopefully this will be addressed quickly.

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Quote: Original Salford City Red "Ave It,you always put is as you see it and most of the regulars will feel the same about our club.

Before Marwan came on board we had 30+years of mis-management with the youth/academy set up so 3 years is a pretty short time to sort things out.

There have been several mistakes made and Marwan has been given some poor/bad advice over matters that he entrusted to others and he has made a rod for his own back by his use of social media and his unusual press conferences but if he had not come on the scene this topic would not have be aired because the club wouldn't be around to pass comment on.

Back to the academy set up ,I agree that off what I know Alan Hunte did a great job for many years with little resources and it appears that currently the resources have increased over many areas but improvement is still required,hopefully this will be addressed quickly.'"



I agree that 3 years isn't a long time in the grand scheme of things, but surely we should have seen some (if only slight improvements), but we haven't. If anything it's got worse. To have our academy side in tier 2 in his first year and maybe even his second or 3rd would have been acceptable if we could see things getting better and the academy set up was moving forward. For it to be at the end of his 3rd year (going into the 4th by the time next season comes around), shows that the club is going backwards and not forwards. Its just another body blow in a massive line of body blows.

As for not having a club. I don't buy into we would have had club, maybe not in the top flight (ok definitely not in the top flight), but we would have survived. It wouldn't have been a very nice existence, but neither is this to be honest.

All I want like everyone else that supports Salford is to see light at the end of the tunnel, Marwan provided this when he first took over. I'm afraid now I've come to the conclusion the man is nothing but a buffoon.

Anyway happy Friday, I'm off for a pint.

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Quote: Ave It! "Marwan made promises about building a centre of excellence and building a top academy (another one of his pipe dreams). Now things like a decent academy don't happen over night and indeed can take many many years, but he's had 3 years to invest in the right facilities, in the community game and in the academy coaching staff and we've not improved a jot. Questions have to be asked why 3 years later there is still no improvement? Why were we still classed as very weak in our last academy assessment, the same as we were in 2012, 2013 and 2014?

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I was under the impression Dr Koukash was going to attempt to get hold of the stadium about 5 years after taking over and then having a hostel for the academy players constructed around/attached to the stadium.
The plan was to have the first team achieve something and act as a magnet for young players from across a wide area.
Wasn't Tim Sheens brought to your club to oversee all aspects,including the Academy,in February?

Wasn't the RFL going to have regional academies and Salford,as they weren't graded highly the other year,not going to benefit?

Please allow me the opportunity to encourage as much disruption as possible,so it impacts on your players,as from 5pm Sunday 13th of this month. icon_biggrin.gifANCE:

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If its that poor then why have we just won u19s? There's been significant improvement within the u19s this year and you should know this. There has been significant improvement and impact within the coaches as well. How you can blame marwan is unjustifiable, want to blame anyone blame the rfl you complete tool, they and they alone have ruined the aspects of every academy up and down the country, this is Purley by not playing reserve games as younger players don't get the chance to prove it and probably won't until it comes back, and do you even watch our team you lemon! Nial evalds - product of the academy,, theo fages- academy,, jordan wane- academy,,adam walne-academy,, matt gee- u19s academy,,John Ford -academy ....... you owe marwan and evryones reading this tripe an apology !!

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Hi Adam, clearly your a glass half full kind of guy! Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and i respect and agree with parts of yours. However some supporters have just about had enough of all the lies and bull marwan has come out with.
I actually think what we are seeing now are the effects of the last 3 years rather than being a true reflection of what is happening now, I think potentially he could have finally learned what he should be doing. I just hope it's not too late.
I can completely understand ave it's feeling and he owes nobody an apology, that's his opinion and he's more than entitled to it.
I just hope we win on Saturday and there are no more dramas before next week!!

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My input for what it's worth is as follows: -
Marwan has come in and made bold statements without understanding how Rugby League works. most haven't been fulfilled as most of us know.
He's now employed in Tim Sheens one of the best two Rugby league minds in the world and agreed to take a step backwards and leave it to him.
If anybody can sort out the mess we're in it's Tim Sheens.
Let's keep the faith and give him a chance to set the foundations in place for us to move forward.
If anyone thinks I'm a lover of the way Marwan does things I'm not. Hopefully he's realised that to move forward in any business you employ experts in that field and don't interfere icon_razz.gifRAY:

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