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Quote: wardleyred "HAVE PONDERED OVER EVERYTHING above several times,and do rather worry!! would be good to here in a bit more detail if possible/legal from the club on the matter ! also am rather worried over a rumour doing the rounds that the players are not getting paid on time!!'"


A rumour is hearsay,gossip,common talk,not based on definite knowledge;an unconfirmed report or story.Need I say any more?

It was the same as "He is coming"

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Quote: Marshy1 "I hear all this talk about how a new stadium will boost crowds but surely you have to factor in the lost spectators who maybe just can't get to Irlam, you know the kind the old guy who would maybe walk to the Willows. .'"


This annoys me greatly when people say this, the amount of arguments I have had with our fans this season saying the same thing. The fact remains we average around 3,000 home fans a game and have been at the Willows for long enough for this to change, personally I couldn't give a fu*k if a few of the local residents wont come when we move, if they class themselves as a fan they would be there no matter what. Maybe a few local residents of Irlam/Peel green will take an interest and come instead.

A few locals around Weaste not coming to the games and then moaning that the new stadium isn't in "proper Salford" as I have had said to me on more occasions than I care to remember this season is ,i have managed fine coming in from walkden & now Eccles over the past 19 years. Let face it the weaste public and surrounding areas have had long enough to get to the games and looking at our attendances proves the majority just don't give toss about us. SO I couldn't give a toss about them if they decide not to come.

Of course I will be sad to see the back of the willows it has been my second home for many years and ideally I would love to stay but we all know rugby is a business these days and we need a change quick our attendances cant get any worse!

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Quote: wardleyred "Wilky is bank rolling the club end of!!! and wont do it for ever....how on earth you can run a super league club on 3000 gates with at least 1000 of them getting in for nowt on the ridiculous try before you buy scheme that has left paying season ticket holders fuming all season,is beyond me !'"


The idea of the try before you buy scheme was (is) an attempt to get new fans before the move to Barton. If normal fans want to use this to save themselves £20 you can hardly blame them, however if every Salford fan sent the link on to 10 people who have never been before we might get a few new people going to games. Sadly no-one will do this and would rather come on here and moan about low attendances instead.


Quote: wardleyred "A rumour is hearsay,gossip,common talk,not based on definite knowledge;an unconfirmed report or story.Need I say any more?
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Interesting how it made the RL press on Monday yet doesn't appear to have been denied by the club?

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Interesting how it made the RL press on Monday yet doesn't appear to have been denied by the club?'"
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Played down/denied in MEN today.

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Played down/denied in MEN today.'"


Ok cheers haven't seen todays MEN yet.

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Quote: Marshy1 "I hear all this talk about how a new stadium will boost crowds but surely you have to factor in the lost spectators who maybe just can't get to Irlam, you know the kind the old guy who would maybe walk to the Willows.

The old guy could get on a bus to Barton,probably with his bus pass.

There will be other old guys who will go to Barton but wouldn't come to the Willows.

Also earlier in the thread someone stated that your club offers a try before you buy scheme...very admirable but in reality those people are going because it's free and that scenario will continue as people will go just to have a nosey.

The club is criticized for not trying any initiatives and they are equally criticized when they try something.

The only real way that your club will benefit is to get the on field product right, I was speaking to a mate who is /was a reds regular he hasn't been this season since he was charged £20 to watch the Warrington game.He prior to two seasons ago had always been a season ticket holder, those fans will only return when they feel they get value for money and with respect no amount of shiney new stadia will offer that, only a winning team that is challenging the top teams.'"


The on field product is a key element in increasing your crowd base although I have heard of some regular fans who have stopped coming and when I asked when they last came it was 15 years ago, they cannot be classed as a regular fan in my opinion.

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The club is kept afloat, and has been for many years, through JW and the directors , with assistance in last couple of years from the council, who will recoup this once the retail elements are built. The costs of running the new ground will be in excess of a million pounds per annum, which would have been a huge drain on the club moving forward. The deal i believe is we pay a rent, we get money from gate admission and corporate hospitality, but get nothing from the bars or snack bars. Ideally if Sale move in , then logic would say that our rent would be halved. The key for the future is to try and bring new blood into the boardroom, {preferably with lots of money} and try and get new sposors, as obviously the more income we can get from off field activities helps with what we can spend on the salary cap. This in turn should mean we attract better players, play more attractive football and be more successful , which should bring more fans through the gates. Lets Hope!!!!

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Barker picking out more stories off here i see !I Was informed during our game with quinns off a very reliable source regerding players not being paid!!

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So where does this reliable source get info?!surely if there was stuff like that ratchford wud have said he's going wire?!why wud he stay with financial probs!the team spirit seems good for a team with financial problems!just bugs me,clubs trying to move forward, new coach,new ground,and people are on here saying were not paying players,show me proof and I will believe it!jeez!

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Quote: wardleyred "Barker picking out more stories off here i see !I Was informed during our game with quinns off a very reliable source regerding players not being paid!!'"


Are you sure that you are not Neil Barker? His sources seem very like your own.

Now I heard from a very good source that Rob Parker was going on loan to Castleford and that was before Parker new about it.

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Quote: wardleyred "Wilky is bank rolling the club end of!!! and wont do it for ever....how on earth you can run a super league club on 3000 gates with at least 1000 of them getting in for nowt on the ridiculous try before you buy scheme that has left paying season ticket holders fuming all season,is beyond me !'"

Just playing devils advocate her, but there is an interesting article in the finance pages of tonights MEN, stating that Mr Wilkinsons company has sucessfully applied for a loan to "finance Expansion".
One wonders.!!!

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Quote: ellery on ice "So where does this reliable source get info?!surely if there was stuff like that ratchford wud have said he's going wire?!why wud he stay with financial probs!the team spirit seems good for a team with financial problems!just bugs me,clubs trying to move forward, new coach,new ground,and people are on here saying were not paying players,show me proof and I will believe it!jeez!'"


Did anyone say they don't get paid? Sometimes the players get paid on time, sometimes they don't. They do get paid though!

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Quote: Marshy1 "Just playing devils advocate her, but there is an interesting article in the finance pages of tonights MEN, stating that Mr Wilkinsons company has sucessfully applied for a loan to "finance Expansion".
One wonders.!!!'"


Nothing wrong with businesses borrowing to expand if it is done for the right reasons,if you read the full article it is very complimentary towards Wilkinson Star Ltd.

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Quote: brian52 "The club is kept afloat, and has been for many years, through JW and the directors , with assistance in last couple of years from the council, who will recoup this once the retail elements are built. The costs of running the new ground will be in excess of a million pounds per annum, which would have been a huge drain on the club moving forward. The deal i believe is we pay a rent, we get money from gate admission and corporate hospitality, but get nothing from the bars or snack bars. Ideally if Sale move in , then logic would say that our rent would be halved. The key for the future is to try and bring new blood into the boardroom, {preferably with lots of money} and try and get new sposors, as obviously the more income we can get from off field activities helps with what we can spend on the salary cap. This in turn should mean we attract better players, play more attractive football and be more successful , which should bring more fans through the gates. Lets Hope!!!!'"


Sounds identical to our situation at the LSV , one point about the corporate , at Hilton Park we filled the corporate ( 120 covers ) virtually every match and made good money from it as it was reasonably priced , better quality than the LSV and most importantly the drinks were ' normal ' prices .

We now struggle to get people into the corporate at the LSV because the price is more , the food worse and the drinks exorbitant ' relatively ' , we also make less per head out of it , you might well find something similar

Your main revenue stream will be numbers through the gates , you will need massive and long term investement to build your numbers , early doors extra away fans will bolster the numbers , but ultimately that is what will make or break the move to Barton

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