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Harris has already identified one of the main problems, trying to score off every play. Need a Dunemann type to calm things down and do the basics when we hit the front. There were things that had me shaking my head yesterday and we can blame the ref all we want but trying to regather a goal line drop out at 12 all, throwing Hollywood passes when we'd just gone in front and missing a kick in front of the sticks are not helping matters. An old, experienced head may have seen us home yesterday.

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Quote: Branny "Harris has already identified one of the main problems, trying to score off every play. Need a Dunemann type to calm things down and do the basics when we hit the front. There were things that had me shaking my head yesterday and we can blame the ref all we want but trying to regather a goal line drop out at 12 all, throwing Hollywood passes when we'd just gone in front and missing a kick in front of the sticks are not helping matters. An old, experienced head may have seen us home yesterday.'"


Tim Smith ?

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Quote: Bonita Red "Tim Smith ?'"


Ideally somebody who Chase will listen to and learn from. I don't think Tim Smith is that player.

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Just remembered one super play yesterday was to chip the ball sideways to that giant of a man Junior (last pick for the basketball team) Sa'u.

At times we look like there are bonus points on offer for the best looking try, I'd be just as happy if every try was a crash over from 5 yards if it decreased the desire to throw the wonder pass every set of six.

I mentioned earlier I'd love to see us try and find an old head scrum half for next season to help the next phase of the rebuilding mess with the players retained from this year, someone very much in the Dunneman mold was who I had in mind.

Can't for the life of me think of anyone playing SL or in the NRL who would fit the bill now as players of that type are now a dieing bread.

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A good coach will find good half backs, we have Liam Finn from the championship and another lad that we got on a season long loan.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "A good coach will find good half backs, we have Liam Finn from the championship and another lad that we got on a season long loan.'"


Herein lies where Harris will be judged. He's coaching a team of players that Noble chose. The signs so far are encouraging though, Kevin Locke and Ben Jones-Bishop are a step in the right direction and a massive improvement on what we've currently got.

One position Harris doesn't need to look for is scrum half, Sneyd is more than good enough for that role.

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Harris has certainly brought more flair and width. Its not his fault we have Meli trundling up the wing etc. Harris has been given the set of cards he has to play.'"


Sadly this demand for flair and width has contributed to our current predicament. I'm not sure where the myth started that Salford have a traditional glorious style of attacking rugby to live up to?'"


No TS the current predicament has been caused by Nobby`s selection process and his mantra of 5 drives and an up and under. Harris has to undo Noble`s boring outdated philosophy which with so may egos in the dressing room is a tough job.

He needs time to weed out what he doesnt need and implement a strategy which will be a winning one and also entertaining.

Sadly because of my age I do still yearn for the glorious style of attacking rugby seen in the 60s and 70s at the club but guess we will all have to wait until at least next season now before we see it.

The Rugby Cas are playing under Daryl Powell would do me for starters.

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Herein lies where Harris will be judged. He's coaching a team of players that Noble chose. The signs so far are encouraging though, Kevin Locke and Ben Jones-Bishop are a step in the right direction and a massive improvement on what we've currently got.

One position Harris doesn't need to look for is scrum half, Sneyd is more than good enough for that role.'"


I'll agree with you that they weren't the choice of Harris but are you sure it was nobby that chose them? Locke will light up the super league next year, theres no doubt about that but he will be costing at least the same as chase and probably a lot more and i've heard all the excuses before However if you are all honest with yourselves you must admit to some concerns about how you can stay under the cap (legitimately) BJB is better than what you've got but after is performance against Wigan yesterday are you still as happy. We'll have to see what happens with Mark but as i've mentioned in another thread can you give a good reason why he would want to come back. Its obvious he is loving every thing about Cas.

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Quote: Early Bath "

He needs time to weed out what he doesnt need and implement a strategy which will be a winning one and also entertaining.'"


Agree with this, however the job for Harris this season is to work out a winning strategy with the squad he has currently got. I'd happily take a couple of 10-8 wins rather than 34-30 defeats.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "I'll agree with you that they weren't the choice of Harris but are you sure it was nobby that chose them? Locke will light up the super league next year, theres no doubt about that but he will be costing at least the same as chase and probably a lot more and i've heard all the excuses before However if you are all honest with yourselves you must admit to some concerns about how you can stay under the cap (legitimately) BJB is better than what you've got but after is performance against Wigan yesterday are you still as happy. We'll have to see what happens with Mark but as i've mentioned in another thread can you give a good reason why he would want to come back. Its obvious he is loving every thing about Cas.'"


BJB looked a bit suspect under the high ball. He probably should have been waltzing under the sticks for the winning try when he followed Maguires break but he never got the ball.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey " We'll have to see what happens with Mark but as i've mentioned in another thread can you give a good reason why he would want to come back. Its obvious he is loving every thing about Cas.'"


We'll I'd hope the fact that he is contractually obliged to do so would be a good motivator. I think the noises the Doc is making about Snyed still being a Salford player and that he WILL be back at Salford next season should be the be all and end all. If Sneyd really does want to stay at Castleford he will formally have to ask to be released early and a very substantial transfer fee would need to be paid. I also think that the Doc is quite bloody minded and if he didn't want to release Sneyd he'd keep him at Salford next season.

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Quote: Michigan red "We'll I'd hope the fact that he is contractually obliged to do so would be a good motivator. I think the noises the Doc is making about Snyed still being a Salford player and that he WILL be back at Salford next season should be the be all and end all. If Sneyd really does want to stay at Castleford he will formally have to ask to be released early and a very substantial transfer fee would need to be paid. I also think that the Doc is quite bloody minded and if he didn't want to release Sneyd he'd keep him at Salford next season.'"


You're right of course, the Doc is bloody minded and that will be his and Salfords downfall. He could end up with one very unhappy and thus under performing player on the books who would be taking up salary cap space that you haven't got. Thats one of Marwans main faults, he makes very rash twitter posts and backs himself into a corner and ends up losing face. top 4. top 6 minimum. Do you think he did his and salfords reputation any favours when the sky cameras caught him walking off straight after the final whistle without giving either team any applause. He's the problem, not the team or the coaching staff.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "You're right of course, the Doc is bloody minded and that will be his and Salfords downfall. He could end up with one very unhappy and thus under performing player on the books who would be taking up salary cap space that you haven't got. Thats one of Marwans main faults, he makes very rash twitter posts and backs himself into a corner and ends up losing face. top 4. top 6 minimum. Do you think he did his and salfords reputation any favours when the sky cameras caught him walking off straight after the final whistle without giving either team any applause. He's the problem, not the team or the coaching staff.'"


Sneyd will have a large salary cap discount as he's a Salford Academy product. Another good reason why the Doc wants him back. As for Marwan, the constant obsession with him from opposition fans is embarrassing. It does not matter one bit what he does or doesn't do when he's watching his team. How on earth does that have any bearing on anything? Do you think the Salford fans or players have become disheartened because their owner got up out of his seat? You really need to get over yourself and concentrate on your own team.

How on earth can he be the problem? We wouldn't have a Club without him. Have you been sniffing glue?

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I thought we weren't too far of the mark v widnes and show a lot of signs of improvement.

The only thing that is grinding my gears about this team is they are trying to score on every play and not trying to put pressure on teams.

i think the frailties in defence on the wing are there for everyone to see, but when johnson is back he will probably replace meli and that may solve the problem.

Mullaney was a revelation at half back with rangi and the forwards won the battle imo.

Was dissapointed not winning as I thought a win would have been a good platform to build the rest of the season on and challenge for the top 8.

Not looking forward to the wigan or saints game tbh.

Please don't forget this team is still gelling and will take a season or 2 to get right, we are in a lot better place now than we were 12 months ago!

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "I'll agree with you that they weren't the choice of Harris but are you sure it was nobby that chose them? Locke will light up the super league next year, theres no doubt about that but he will be costing at least the same as chase and probably a lot more and i've heard all the excuses before However if you are all honest with yourselves you must admit to some concerns about how you can stay under the cap (legitimately) BJB is better than what you've got but after is performance against Wigan yesterday are you still as happy. We'll have to see what happens with Mark but as i've mentioned in another thread can you give a good reason why he would want to come back. Its obvious he is loving every thing about Cas.'"


Noble signed them alright, who else would have? Please don't suggest Marwan Koukash.

No concerns on the cap for 2015 from me, Meli is on £100k+ and leaving at the end of 2014, same applies to Morley plus Smith, Howarth, McPherson, Ashurst and others are all on their way.

Re Sneyd and why he'd want to come back. Firstly because he's been at Salford since he was a kid. We've played a key role in his performances this season. He lives a lot closer to Salford and finally Cas team in 2015 will be ripped apart with Sneyd, Hauraki, Clarke and Huby all tipped to leave.

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