The club are now paying the price for massively over-hyping in pre season (We'll definatley make the play offs etc). All this achieved was to raise the expectations of the fans, whereas the extra money we spent this season comapred to other seasons was wasted on signing the first players who became available rather than players we actually needed (with the exception of Patten).

As for other areas of the club, we all know how badly certain areas are run, yet the same people are still in a job. On the subject of marketing, Sale are expecting 20000 on Saturday for their game at the Reebok (also clashes with Utd vs city), whereas we will be lucky to get 3000 in.

When you read comments like Patten's in the MEN you know how bad it has become, yet the club has still not had the decency to issue any sort of statement on the Alker situation.

No magic wand here fella, but let me tease you with a what if or two:

What if we were the fans that did things differently?
What if we engaged with the club, threw our ideas around and chipped in a bit of spare time and effort?
What if we confronted difficulties with support and encouragement?
What if we all brought a mate along to the games?
What if we sang our franchise's positives from the rooftops?
What if we cheered, sang and made the Willows a belting day/night out irrespective of the spectacle on the pitch?
Not just the wonderful few who do this already, but all of us?

Just a thought. Anyway, I'm off to teach the world to sing...

The ship's gone,only the iceberg's left.

Would actually love this to happen, especially the first 3 on the list, however it works both ways and when there is little or no communication from the club to the fans then it's not hard to see why people are quick to criticise.

It's quite concerning that there still havnt been a press release about the alker situation, the only reason I can think of is there is negotiations going on and there is nothing to tell.

There are lots of power struggles going on all round the club at present somebody needs to stand up, draw a line in the sand and say as a club we go forward from here.

The money will be the same but the club need to go out and reconnect with the people of salford and the fans that have drifted away. To be honest I feel there is a sence of panic within the club that with the new stadium comming out of the ground its becoming very real that the whole organstion need to go up a level as
There isn't any hiding places anymore on and off the field

Ex salford uni I agree its a two way street tho, I've had dealings with with the club where because of computer systems I've had to wait 2 weeks for various free ticket offers to come into play by then my victims / new supporters ha ha had lost a bit of interest and I had to drag them in, they are still coming now but I had to get into their grill about it.

We as fans do our bit and the club surely can't continue to fluff it up.

Forever Reds fella? But you see, no ones interested, nobody ever wants to get involved its the same people putting their hands up every time to help the club achieve the things outlined above. With more members you never know some of these things may become reality but there's far to much bluff and bluster amongst our fans to make this happen. We've given the club ideas in the past, we've supported them with time, money and ideas but we're only a small number, more people, more ideas, more input. So will I see you at the next FR meeting / event?

FWIW I agree with DR's original post I think he raises good points and issues that need to looked at and what's more he's gone about it in a very constructive way. He's allowed his chance to speak and everyone else is entitled to theirs, nobody's right and nobody's wrong on this point (or any other for that matter, it's an independent fans site after all) but one thing remains, and not wanting to paraphrase politicians, as fans, we're all in it together and lets never forget that, fight on brothers and sisters, fight on!

But should that be considered an achievement? It's something of a cliche but to say that you are standing still is really to say that you are going backwards. Well done on keeping the ship afloat in difficult circumstances, but don't we all want to progress?



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But you don't disagree with my analysis?

Read Moneyball by Michael Lewis. You don't need money to compete, it's about how you approach what you do and get value from the resources you have. Re: Castleford, why do they get bigger gates than us and why are they able to spend more on their playing squad? Castleford has a population of 40k, Salford has a population of 220k.



Because Salford is not a Rugby League Town, simple answer, and i have been watching since 1967, too much apathy within the city, too many people who can not be bothered to do anything and that is the way it will stay. No matter how successful we become 6000 -7000 is possibly the best we will do.

I disagree with that personally Bigpev. Potential for bigger support is there, needs real hard work to turn it around. There are plenty around Irlam and Caddishead who support Wire, why? Because they are succesful(ish) and well marketed.

I dont agree with the "build it and they will come" attitude, as originally mentioned we need a full shake up from top to bottom (i personally am not including JW in that) people in with new ideas.

I do in general mate, yes.

I can't see much difference in where we are now and where we were about 20yrs ago when you (and I) started to follow the club.

The only obvious difference is that now the blame is shared between McRae, Simms, Alker, JAW, et al ..... back then Tarry was the root of all evil.

Maybe your post will mean that he is once again?! Whilst I have nothing against the fella personally, I think you're right about the need for a change at the top.

JAW can't/shouldn't/won't go anywhere, coaches come and go anyway so maybe Tarry needs to be replaced to change our fortunes??

Tarry was to blame for everything for years but always avoided the bullets, then somehow once Simms came on board, it has been him or a long list of coaches who take the flak, meanwhile Tarry sits in his Ivory tower wrapped in kevlar, whilst the club itself hasn't really advanced.

Something isn't right, as pointed out a long list of nobodys have appeared in challenge cup finals, and the likes of Hudds (perenial cellar dwellers like ourselves) are now top of the league and handing Leeds their bootys at Headingley.

So is the chief exec a success for Salford ? I think the number of years he's been here together with our achievements, somewhere there you'll find the answer.