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| I thought you were desperately unlucky yesterday,Roby had a big part to play in the result ,very poor performance from him. As someone said i thought your forwards were great ,although Hock still continues to be a liability as does Rangi Chase, a little bit more structure and cool headedness (is that a real word?) and the game was yours.
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| I still cnt believe we went for Harris!the way the doc ploughshare his money in I thought we would go for a top class to lead,I feel we have seen little improvement,1point from hull kr widnes and Catalan and knocked out of cup is not good enough,you look at how wane and betts has is players playing for each other begs the questions,what are ours doing?!
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| I'd desperately like to see us look down under for an old head type scrum half for next year. Next season will also be one of transition as there is a good chance that we will start the first game with quite a few new players again and having someone to guide them round the park will definitely be needed (as it has been this season). Only looking for someone for one season to help knit everyone together until they become a team.
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| Quote: ellery on ice "I still cnt believe we went for Harris!the way the doc ploughshare his money in I thought we would go for a top class to lead,I feel we have seen little improvement,1point from hull kr widnes and Catalan and knocked out of cup is not good enough,you look at how wane and betts has is players playing for each other begs the questions,what are ours doing?!'"
And you were lucky to even get that single point considering Melli wad actually in touch.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "And you were lucky to even get that single point considering Melli wad actually in touch.'"
You're assuming we wouldn't have scored another point for the rest of the game had the try been disallowed.
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| I thought Widnes coped well with their injuries yesterday. They've played well all year and I don't begrudge them the win.
But I've just watched the Tasi incident again. Tasi has hold of the ball until Leuluai's head bangs into his. The ball only falls from his hand when he is falling to the floor dazed or unconscious. How can this be play on?
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| Quote: jjm "I thought Widnes coped well with their injuries yesterday. They've played well all year and I don't begrudge them the win.
But I've just watched the Tasi incident again. Tasi has hold of the ball until Leuluai's head bangs into his. The ball only falls from his hand when he is falling to the floor dazed or unconscious. How can this be play on?'"
There's no stop in play. Had hanbury been tackled, the play would of been stopped for them to receive treatment, or if Tasi had completed the tackle before releasing, it would of been halted. But the referee cannot stop play halfway through a phase. Once the ball is dead, it's the refs responsibility to stop play immediately.
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| Quote: ellery on ice "I feel we have seen little improvement,1point from hull kr widnes and Catalan and knocked out of cup is not good enough,you look at how wane and betts has is players playing for each other begs the questions,what are ours doing?!'"
Wand and Betts have been at their clubs for years;not 5 minutes.
Harris has been left with the remnants of the Noble era and has the task of sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Not an easy job,but one he should be supported in doing.
We should not forget the injuries we have sustained,and no coach can implant pace into a player.
He also has to view the players in action and assess.All a slow process.
If Noble was allowed a full 12 months,and he was,then Harris should be given an equal amount of time.
If Betts was coach the referee may stop play immediately a player sustains a head injury,courtesy of a high knee(?)
as shown yesterday to the benefit of one side and one player,who wasn't wearing a red shirt.
We're only half way through the season and it does seem advantageous to go into a play-off system
with momentum and on the ascendancy.All is not lost - it is only May.
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| I'm not too sure about these signs of improvement people seem desperate to cling onto. Yesterday was basically a carbon copy of the Widnes away game in the league. In with a shout for pretty much all the game, but without the composure in attack or defensive structure to get the result.
When you consider Noble had to do without both Hock and Chase in the early part of the season, you could say being 8th and still in the cup was a reasonable achievement. Since then we have won 1 from 7 yet are supposedly improving?
Looking at the fixture list, we could be in a worrying position before our last 4 games. Not many are looking winnable at the moment. Hopefully we can turn over one of the big name clubs inbetween to get the season back on track.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "There's no stop in play. Had hanbury been tackled, the play would of been stopped for them to receive treatment, or if Tasi had completed the tackle before releasing, it would of been halted. But the referee cannot stop play halfway through a phase. Once the ball is dead, it's the refs responsibility to stop play immediately.'"
But surely play should have been stopped. You are not allowed to stop someone by making contact with their head, accidentally or otherwise. Tasi did nothing wrong and did not drop the ball until he was rendered unconscious.
The tackler has responsibility to position himself to make a safe tackle. Leuleuai initiated the contact that led to the head clash. I would have thought a penalty would be a minimum outcome. Otherwise we have a very dangerous game.
When compared to other penalties given, it seems baffling.
As I said before, well done to Widnes on a very good win.
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| How about the Salford players played to the whistle like Widnes did, or is that too much to ask from our 'superstars'? At least 5 Reds stood still and allowed Hanbury to pick the ball up. No excuses for that.
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| Quote: jjm "But surely play should have been stopped. You are not allowed to stop someone by making contact with their head, accidentally or otherwise. Tasi did nothing wrong and did not drop the ball until he was rendered unconscious.
The tackler has responsibility to position himself to make a safe tackle. Leuleuai initiated the contact that led to the head clash. I would have thought a penalty would be a minimum outcome. Otherwise we have a very dangerous game.
When compared to other penalties given, it seems baffling.
As I said before, well done to Widnes on a very good win.'"
Head clashes aren't penalties, there was nothing wrong with the tackle. He dropped the ball, hanbury picked it up and ran the length of the field. The fact a player is unconscious only matters after a tackle is complete (the ball is dead) or if aiding the player impacts on play. Neither did, and what occurred was the correct decision.
Regardless, you play to the whistle, and Salford didn't.
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| There's definitely improvement.
We played well and were unlucky.
I think we would have been in the same position,or better,had Noble stayed as this is all part of the gelling he referred to.
I thought at the game,and reinforced watching later on TV,that Mullaney was the best 7 display this season.
His Wikipedia page says he's a full back,scrum half or five eighth
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| Played well and were unlucky. Heard it all now. Delusional.
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| Quote: Bonita Red "At last someone who saw the same game that I did.
We lost the match and there's no avoiding that but we played pretty well.
Mullaney at scrum half was excellent,the pack hammered their's.
Meli still had some work to do to score his try but his defence is poor
Danny Williams took his try really well.
Tomkins made a difference.
We were unlucky.
Roby was terrible. Hardly played a set without him giving a penalty one way or another and missed loads of forward passes. Also just made bad calls consistently.
I think we do look a proper side and I don't think we are too far off.
The comments about lack of heart are well off the mark.
The cup is half full not half empty.
But we lost !
PS I'm now going to watch it on telly to see whether I'm right'"
Spot on mate. I thought Mullaney was excellent at number 7. One of the worst refereeing performances (I can only describe it as such) from Roby. Forward passes galore (I never usually get involved with these) it got silly. Only able to watch on TV as I live hundreds of miles away, but the way the Sky commentators (principally Eddie) slated off everything Salford was beyond the pale. Tony Rae was the only even handed one. Also thought that there was a lot of mischief making from Eddie about Hock raising his knee when no harm would have come at all if the Vikings player had not made schoolboy error number one and got his head the correct side when tackling.
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