I also thoguht Tommy lee was really poor last night, I know Ive had a pop at him already and I don't have a vendetta against him. But not once did he scoot from acting half and to top if off he got sin binned (lthough we did play better without him on the pitch). Needs to massively up it for Saints or his place is under threat for me by young wilkinson

Tommy lee made a grand total of 5 metres although he is a good tackler would he be worth putting in at loose?

Our best hooker went because Watson for some reason didn't fancy him, Lee, tomkins so average it's unreal. Get hood back from swinton please and get 2 more forwards in now

That's simply not good enough.

He needs to up his game this week coming. Like others have said, some strange choices made by the management, although we are not privvy to the minutiae of why these things happen. It could be fitness, slight knocks, illness, or plain poor choices.

We'll need a few changes for the Saints game.

I always thought lee was better at loose forward as he is a stand in hooker at best for me. This game wasn't lost on one players effort however, defensively we missed so many tackles and the 3 consecutive tries conceded in quick succession is really poor. We need a big angry prop...does BMM have a any brothers??!

I'm totally fed up. I went into this season with renewed/false hope, one match in i know but after what weve been through it doesn't take much to reduce your confidence to zero again. Saints next week can only see one winner and again on Sky. Looked a bit lost as a team Friday imo and why oh why we never invested in 2 other big props I just don't know when they say there is room in the cap, so obvious to us all, we need to go all out shopping to get that sorted and quick, most teams have big props but us. Its very early but an im a half full guy and we are staring at bottom 4 again. Its only last night apart from 5 or 6 I realised we don't have the quality or size up front.

[iYeah i feel the same. But to be honest i've been saying it all pre season the pack is shambolic. Then you get all the do-gooders coming on saying "trust in Tim bollox".. Thats what you get when you shop for bargain basement products. You end up in the basement. You buy cheap you by twice i'm afraid. Its gonna be a typical long season.[/i

Sorry but josh jones, carney, vidot, kopczak, flanaghan, lui, masila, gaz obrien, are not crap players infact there veyy good players some exceptional but i do agree that were light in the pack

Dearie Me Redwolf & Flat Stanley. Get a grip.

80 minutes into the season and its the same old griping.

Tim has built a team for modern Summer Rugby League and O`Brien is important for him as an extra pivot to get the ball wider to the centres and wingers where we have an abundance of talent.

Feb & March will not be our best months on Heavy grounds but when firmer you will see the difference.

I dont go with this `need 2 big props` if we are trying to play a completely different style.

I would agree if we were going 5 drives and a kick.

So cut Tim & Ian a bit of slack - give it time before moaning but sadly that`s a hope too far with some of our fans who know more about Rugby League than a top NRL player & then coach of the best team in the World.

It's simply too early to be making any judgement at the moment.

I think it would be more valid to praise or criticize after half a dozen games. We've got a tough start there's no denying, but SL finishing spots are dictated at the end of the season, not after one game.

[iGet a grip. You should be directing that to the players when they're bouncing off tackles.[/i

[iWhat a pathetic apologist comment. The season starts in February not April. If thats the case i'll remember next time to buy an April to September season ticket. [/i

What got me more than anything was that it appeared that nothing had changed, dropping of tackles and doing passable impressions of headless chickens when Hull got on a roll.

Hope I'm wrong but it doesn't fill me with optimism for the season ahead.

Well Stanley I would rather listen to the views of Mr Sheens who has forgotten more about RL than you`ll ever know.

A comment that seems to keep coming up is that Tim Sheens knows a great deal, I have no doubt there is know one in the sport with his knowledge.

But he is not the head coach, he is the director of rugby, sure he will have a hand in things but the match day 17, play book and coaching on a day to day basis will be squarely on the shoulders of Ian Watson.

I do wonder if the Doc might look to get Rowley involved with the club, maybe to work in tandem with Watson.

That'd be the Rowley who failed in the final furlong to deliver for Leigh?
Get a grip!