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Just found out something of broader topical interest.

Following the Hillsborough disaster, the Taylor report addressed 'endemic hooliganism, and overcrowding on terraces' in rundown stadia throughout sport. Evidence suggesting the above was a problem in RL too, was based on just a single visit to a rugby league event. A 1989/1990 Salford match!!!

It was this report and its financial implications that contributed to some clubs, such as Swinton, being forced into selling their rundown grounds. Thus, alleged behaviour of Salford fans apparently contributed to the demise of Swinton. Of course, this suggestion is hardly truthful, as many more factors, that are perhaps a tad less biased than the Taylor report, will have impacted on clubs like Swinton.

There was an article in New Society in the early 80s that followed Leeds United's Service Crew (they had also been featured on ITV at a similar time - News at Ten or World In Action, something like that). The RL crowd at Headingley was shown as an example of a more sedate family atmosphere - a world away from football. That said, there's stuff in this book, although a pretty poor source, I've heard to be true: www.amazon.co.uk/The-Family-Game ... 1903158621. You only have to ask a couple of the lads who've been following Salford for a while and you'll get a few stories!

There was an article in New Society in the early 80s that followed Leeds United's Service Crew (they had also been featured on ITV at a similar time - News at Ten or World In Action, something like that). The RL crowd at Headingley was shown as an example of a more sedate family atmosphere - a world away from football. That said, there's stuff in this book, although a pretty poor source, I've heard to be true: www.amazon.co.uk/The-Family-Game ... 1903158621. You only have to ask a couple of the lads who've been following Salford for a while and you'll get a few stories!

I'd start with Framing the Future from 1994 - good luck finding a copy!

I have a copy (somewhere).

New ground safety legislation was already in place before Hillsborough. This was following the Bradford City fire disaster in 1985 and the Popperwell enquiry. If I remember correctly I think Swinton were forced to demolish the wooden seating stand at the back of the terracing on the townsend road side. I remember Salford having to spend a small fortune on the Willows to get a ground safety certificate.

Yep. If memory serves, there's a bit about this in Graham Morris's book.

On the subject of ground safety and Hillsborough I was astonished to learn recently that a similar incident happened on the Leppings Lane terracing in 1981. The video below shows overcrowding on the terracing where 38 Tottenham supporters were crushed and injured at an FA Cup semi-final between Spurs and Wolves. They say but for the intervention of the police to open the pitch perimeter fencing gates a similar incident to 1989 would undoubtedly have occurred. The overcrowding at this particular match was rumoured to be caused by turnstile operators allowing ticketless fans into the ground for cash at an all ticket fixture. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzHVe2mEN0

On the subject of ground safety and Hillsborough I was astonished to learn recently that a similar incident happened on the Leppings Lane terracing in 1981. The video below shows overcrowding on the terracing where 38 Tottenham supporters were crushed and injured at an FA Cup semi-final between Spurs and Wolves. They say but for the intervention of the police to open the pitch perimeter fencing gates a similar incident to 1989 would undoubtedly have occurred. The overcrowding at this particular match was rumoured to be caused by turnstile operators allowing ticketless fans into the ground for cash at an all ticket fixture. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzHVe2mEN0

I'd be careful saying legislation ended those old grounds. lots more was going on and don't forget - football clubs didn't start selling grounds on mass so there must have been other factors in play. First - the expectations of fans was changing and second, those old grounds were just that - they were old! The costs of maintaining them were huge at a time when the revenue base of the clubs was at a low point.

If anyone can remember the Sheddings in Oldham and can think back to how there were banks and all sorts to navigate through just to get up to a stand - and then think about the costs of maintaining that - you start to see just how much it would have cost to turn such a ground into a safe and modern stadium. If I'm right - half of the standing space was closed when we last played there?

I think the ground sales of places like Station Road and the Watersheddings was a combination of debt, land values and increasing maintenance costs.

mmp- Good points. In this, it could be argued that the death of grounds like Station Rd may well have been the incentive clubs like Swinton needed to progress. However, as I've said, investment in your own infrastructure, when financially able to, is surely the way to avoid future problems. (Headingley stadium is perhaps the best example of this)

Leeds have been very shrewd in making ground improvements on a regular basis over the years. I wonder though if being part of the whole Headingley setup (that includs the cricket ground) has helped to make this more financially viable?

Headingley has also been used many times over several years for Internationals, Yorkshire Cups and Challenge Cup Semi's. Perhaps the Leeds club have a policy of reinvesting ground rental revenues for stadium improvements?

I also believe that the latest stand they built behind the posts cost the Rhino's very little due to the college using classrooms built into the back of the stand.