The rfl should be begging for forgiveness from Steve McNamara.

Won silverware and got England going in the right direction. Then they tried Bennett - failure and now Wane.

Steve McNamara won a test series against New Zealand and had the England team making great strides forward. But, because his face didn’t fit they sacked him off for that Australian has been Bennet who took England backwards and made a mockery of Great Britain with that abortion of a tour down under. They brought in Wane who has failed to get England to the final despite us benefiting from the soft side of the draw. Now we’ll be bumped down to fifth in the rankings and won’t even be seeded at the next World Cup.

Flattered to deceive against an undercooked Samoan team in the first game, then played a load of amateurs and lower league sides before failing the first real test. Not good enough. The only reason it went to extra time was because of a marginal ref call and some errors from Samoa.

Bennett won a series against NZ also and made the WC final for the first time since 1995.

Bennet did the best job of the lot. England held their own, in a sudden-death game, against Australia, down under. That hasn't happened for generations.

Bennett lost to Papua New Guinea and chose Blake Austin as one of our best two wingers.

He's not all that.

He'd definitely given in by then, but that was as GB coach not England.

That GB tour was unforgivable.

Until yesterday I thought England far exceeded my expectations…

Before the tournament everyone was writing off England. We lost by the smallest of margins due to some lapses of concentration and unforced errors. If we played Samoa again next week we'd have a great chance of winning. Lots of knee jerk reactions amongst supporters who think it's all a disaster. It's disappointing but not the end of the world.

They overachieved v Samoa in the opener, were less than average v France and played well v PNG.
Unfortunately, some players really came up short in the rematch v Samoa.
It looked like the weight of expectation was just a little too much for some, which is a real shame.
However, The Aussies and NZ are on another level compared to England.

Our squad was worse than 2017 overall, so I didn't expect us to win the tournament, or hold our own against the Aussies, but we did have an easier draw this time and crucially, we did not improve as the tournament went on, as we did on the previous 2 tournaments.

Wayne Bennett got the best world cup performances in my time watching the game, so perhaps it is a little unfair to compare the last world cup with this one, but no coach has taken the team from 1 world cup to the next, and there is nothing I can see from Wane, that would justify him being the exception.

The lack of attacking discipline, the drop offs in defence, the players we were carrying were clear in the 4 previous games, so when we came up against a better teams they were exploited, and I don't want a coach who picks players no matter what their form, or who won't motivate a squad to grow and improve performances from week to week.

Clear out the whole coaching roster, and start again.

I can't decide if he did a good job or a terrible one. Ultimately we looked superb in games against weak opposition, then capitulated when we faced the first half decent side we had to play. Any coach would have got us to that point. He is a good coach who will motivate his players and get something near the best out of them. But, he also hamstrung himself picking players who simply had no right being selected. There were several of those and maybe only Hill and Williams justified their selections. The likes of Cooper, Bateman and particularly McIllorum were poor/illogical choices and were poor in the tournament as well.

You'll never get away from that with Wane though. He's Wigan to the core and he sees playing for Wigan or being in the Wigan youth system as being superior than form elsewhere. He's always going to pick the likes of Cooper, McIllorum and Tomkins, even though their performances this season didn't warrant it.

For me he was too safe in his selections. Tomkins has been a fantastic player over the years, but he's not in form and he's lost a lot of his sharpness. Wane should have been more bold and picked Welsby at fullback, his best position. That would have allowed Williams to have an organising half with him. That was particularly necessary because of the ridiculous selection of McIllorum. He was terrible in the World Cup and particularly against Samoa. Lazy distribution, no organisation or planning from acting half and he can't tackle, he must have set a record for missed tackles against Samoa. Leeming or Ackers would have been far better, or even Clarke or McShane with one of those from the bench.

I'm not sure what the international calendar involves going forward now, they've probably not even thought about it. But they need to get rid of the old guard now and focus on younger players. The likes of Tomkins, Hall, McIllorum, Hill, Bateman and Cooper shouldn't be playing for England again.

I'm just not sure if Wane can do that, I'm not sure he's strong enough to do it. He'll probably replace McIllorum with Sam Powell when he retires.

Radders the world cup finalist in!

Absolutely. Samoa were supposed to hammer us in game one and were the bookies favourites.

All of the team did not perform not just the Wigan connected players.
Wane picked the team as he saw fit they didnt perform,Wane didnt drop the ball or give a forward pass or a interception pass or miss tackles the players did that.
Stop blaming individual players it was a team effort.