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1.14 team superleague . Each team plays each other home and away
2. All games to kick off at 3pm on Sunday unless selected for TV
3.Scrap magic weekend then there is room for a meaningful mid season international which could be at Newcastle.
4. All teams to have an academy.
5. Salary cap strictly enforced no exceptions
6. Limit overseas players to 4 per team
7. Two up and two down at end of season
8. Top 8 play off as per NRL

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I’d love to see a 14 even a 16 team league but that’ll never happen due to money.

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Quote: Willzay "I’d love to see a 14 even a 16 team league but that’ll never happen due to money.'"


Willy, there really isn't enough quality players for a 14, 16 League.

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Quote: Willzay "I’d love to see a 14 even a 16 team league but that’ll never happen due to money.'"


It won’t happen because there aren’t enough pro standard players in the game over here.

We have enough for 7 or 8 teams tops

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Quote: ball-in-hand "1.14 team superleague . Each team plays each other home and away
2. All games to kick off at 3pm on Sunday unless selected for TV
3.Scrap magic weekend then there is room for a meaningful mid season international which could be at Newcastle.
4. All teams to have an academy.
5. Salary cap strictly enforced no exceptions
6. Limit overseas players to 4 per team
7. Two up and two down at end of season
8. Top 8 play off as per NRL'"


are you bankrolling this?
maybe play some games in toronto?
Is perez involved?

The Game hasn't enough money or players for a 10 team league....."leveling" the playing field like this will simply drag the standard down. Magic pays a lot of wages at the RFL.....so are you recommending a raft of redundancies? Sunday 3pm? Fine if you're hopping on a bus to the away game in the next borough, but a b'stard if you're away in France........4 overseas players per team......yeah, because we're brimming with talent......and no matter the play off format, Saints v Wigan/Leeds/Wire....and maybe now Catalan.....other need not apply

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Revive Game ? Its been on life support for years.

No Vision, Greed and stupid rules resulting in teams getting stronger and others getting weaker. Its all been a scandal and conspiracy with some of these Jokers in charge !

Things will never improve until we start from the bottom at grass roots. Even without Covid, most genuine fans are at their wits end.

Lets expand more, with more loops fixtures, give teams 24-0 wins, No academies. No, lets not.

Just merge to 1 governing body, bin the Ego's and do what is good for the game. Stop devaluing it by overvaluing it. It isn't soccer and never will be. Whether people like to hear it or not, they need a new pencil, a new book, and start again !

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Quote: ball-in-hand "

1.14 team superleague .
5. Salary cap strictly enforced no exceptions
6. Limit overseas players to 4 per team
7. Two up and two down at end of season

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1. Increases dead wood
5. TBF I like an even salary cap in principle but with 14 teams it will be evening down
6. Reduces the talent pool for your 14 clubs to put teams together
7. Doubles the problem of clubs having to switch between full and part time ........

Pointless as SKY won't want to be showing games between dead wood SL clubs, or blow out scores which your plan would create more of.

Your plan will set us back decades then kill us at the end of the 2023 season......But nice try...

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Quote: ball-in-hand "1.14 team superleague . Each team plays each other home and away
2. All games to kick off at 3pm on Sunday unless selected for TV
3.Scrap magic weekend then there is room for a meaningful mid season international which could be at Newcastle.
4. All teams to have an academy.
5. Salary cap strictly enforced no exceptions
6. Limit overseas players to 4 per team
7. Two up and two down at end of season
8. Top 8 play off as per NRL'"


1. I'd prefer more teams, I'd actually like 15/16 with no playoffs.
2. RL needs to be more flexible than that
3. Magic Weekend, when done right, is brilliant.
4. Not all teams could afford it.
5. I'd rather just remove the cap. The idea it brings parity is a fallacy. Removing the cap would mean better player retention, more kids playing RL and increased money into the sport. Could introduce income-related financial caps so clubs don't overspend.
6. Why? This just decreases the talent level.
7. Agree, as long as the Championship gets more support.
8. Too many for a 14 team league.

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Quote: ball-in-hand "1.14 team superleague . Each team plays each other home and away
2. All games to kick off at 3pm on Sunday unless selected for TV
3.Scrap magic weekend then there is room for a meaningful mid season international which could be at Newcastle.
4. All teams to have an academy.
5. Salary cap strictly enforced no exceptions
6. Limit overseas players to 4 per team
7. Two up and two down at end of season
8. Top 8 play off as per NRL'"


I'd be happy if to sport had some kind of decent plan for the future, without the gimmicks.

Getting rid of the loop fixtures and having 14 clubs in SL would be great.
However, the Sunday 3.0pm kick off would be a non starter. Most clubs have moved to Friday evenings because they feel it's more beneficial for them.
This can make travelling across The Pennines a pain in the backside but, this isn't the issue that's killing the game.

Although the game is skint, THE biggest issue in the medium and long term, is lack of kids playing the game and this needs some serious thought and investment.

The way that things are going, there simply wont be enough decent youngsters coming through to sustain a professional sport in the medium / long term.

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Get rid of the cap so Mike Coleman can properly spend his cash. He makes Simon Moran look like a pauper.

If we got rid the cap, St Helens back line would look like this

1. Jack Welsby
2. Brian To'o
3. Tom Trobjevic
4. Lattrell Mitchell
5. Josh Addo Car
6. Jarome Luai
7. Nathan Cleary

That would make the game of rugby league massive in the UK and would bring thousands of kids into the game at grass root level

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Quote: Poky "Get rid of the cap so Mike Coleman can properly spend his cash. He makes Simon Moran look like a pauper.

If we got rid the cap, St Helens back line would look like this

1. Jack Welsby
2. Brian To'o
3. Tom Trobjevic
4. Lattrell Mitchell
5. Josh Addo Car
6. Jarome Luai
7. Nathan Cleary

That would make the game of rugby league massive in the UK and would bring thousands of kids into the game at grass root level'"





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IMO the only way to revive the game, and save it from almost certain death or part time status in the next 10-15 years in the UK is another SL break-away and complete re-branding.

• Super league has been lost to womans footbal, netball and fantasy football leagues, just like the Rugby WC, due to our ineptitude and failure to trademark it!
• The word 'league' also has negative connotations....just listen to how some in the southern based media say the word 'league' is derisory.
• Most of the media make it clear it is the northern game, and perpetuate old stereotypes of whippets, coal mines, deprived northern towns and eddie wearing!

We need to go the same way as france....ditch league and rebrand the whole game as Rugby XIII, spoken as Rugby thirteens.

It would cause confusion to loads of casual JCL union fans who watch six nations etc to watch our game and realise the product is better, without the negative connotations and the job union has done to it!
It would create a new product...some would see it as a new sport.......imagine a marketing campaign where you went out to buy 1 second slots on national prime time advertising just with a black screen and RUGBY XIII...Its coming! .....Then expand with occasional adverts showing class snippets of action.

It would do what 'the hundred' is doing for cricket, but would also help us nick those union fans on the fringes, if done correctly.
But, like the hundred, it also needs to be done as part of a brave re brand, appealing to new people and giving people in different regions a team to support- to appeal to wider new fan base but also dispel the myth that we are just run down northern towns that detracts investors and sponsors...and gives us only Heinz big soup and bachelors peas.

IMO we need to rebrand most teams, still essentially the same teams, playing in the usual towns, same grounds and initially to largely the same fanbase, but with a re-branding which allows them to play into much wider markets....with perhaps 1-2 games within their region away from their base each season to support growth.

Imagine a SL of the following;

Leeds Rhinos
Liverpool Saints (St Helens rebrand, still based at Langtree park in St Helens etc, but showing presence)
Manchester Fords (Salford rebrand on the same premise as Saints, with Fords being a throw to Salford) If Salford are too parocial and not brave enough then a new Manchester club.
Cheshire Wire (Warrington rebrand- same premise)
Lancashire Warriors or possibly Wigan Lancs (due to the strength of the Wigan brand)
Hull East Yorkshire
London SW Broncos

Tyne Thunder Newcastle rebrand, promoted to SL
Wales / Celtic Crusaders Back at Wrexham where they were successful and actually starting to get crowds.
Catalan Dragons
Toulouse Olympique who will probably be in next year anyway

Sky and most advertisers would pay double what they are currently paying on the basis of the rebrand alone. Most of those clubs are already in place and ready to go, but with some smart re-brands you are appealing to huge areas of the country, rather than a few hundred thousands in deprived northern towns. Some say its pie in the sky, it'll never happen because fans would be in arms, but IMO i would be prepared to lose the 20-40/50% who can't see the bigger picture and how much this increases the commercial viability of the game....they can be replaced rather than hold the game back and ultimately kill it!

You may add another one or possible 3/4 teams to that on a franchise model and on the basis of appealing to wider areas.
It Toronto can sort themselves and ultimately get Ottawa in, they would get places.
If cas sorted a new ground you could have West Yorkshire Tigers....otherwise if they want to remain parochial in their hovel of a ground they would play in a strong re-formed British Championship

British champions get the opportunity to apply for a SL licence should they wish every 3 years, upon condition of appealing to a wider area. Ie/ if york came in they'd be York North Yorkshire - Sheffield - South Yorkshire etc.

Yes it takes a huge mindshift, We need to be brave! But we are at a point where we can be parochial and backward thinking no longer.
The clubs need to embrace it, otherwise we're dead in the water in 10 years, back to semi pro and amateur.

If you're that childish and parochial you won't go if your team re-brand to represent a wider area, your a massive reason why the game is dying in the first place. Ultimately the game has to lose some of this deadwood to survive IMO.

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Leeds and Bradford Falcons is a better club name

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Quote: afootingmiracle21-12 "IMO the only way to revive the game, and save it from almost certain death or part time status in the next 10-15 years in the UK is another SL break-away and complete re-branding.

• Super league has been lost to womans footbal, netball and fantasy football leagues, just like the Rugby WC, due to our ineptitude and failure to trademark it!
• The word 'league' also has negative connotations....just listen to how some in the southern based media say the word 'league' is derisory.
• Most of the media make it clear it is the northern game, and perpetuate old stereotypes of whippets, coal mines, deprived northern towns and eddie wearing!

We need to go the same way as france....ditch league and rebrand the whole game as Rugby XIII, spoken as Rugby thirteens.

It would cause confusion to loads of casual JCL union fans who watch six nations etc to watch our game and realise the product is better, without the negative connotations and the job union has done to it!
It would create a new product...some would see it as a new sport.......imagine a marketing campaign where you went out to buy 1 second slots on national prime time advertising just with a black screen and RUGBY XIII...Its coming! .....Then expand with occasional adverts showing class snippets of action.

It would do what 'the hundred' is doing for cricket, but would also help us nick those union fans on the fringes, if done correctly.
But, like the hundred, it also needs to be done as part of a brave re brand, appealing to new people and giving people in different regions a team to support- to appeal to wider new fan base but also dispel the myth that we are just run down northern towns that detracts investors and sponsors...and gives us only Heinz big soup and bachelors peas.

IMO we need to rebrand most teams, still essentially the same teams, playing in the usual towns, same grounds and initially to largely the same fanbase, but with a re-branding which allows them to play into much wider markets....with perhaps 1-2 games within their region away from their base each season to support growth.

Imagine a SL of the following;

Leeds Rhinos
Liverpool Saints (St Helens rebrand, still based at Langtree park in St Helens etc, but showing presence)
Manchester Fords (Salford rebrand on the same premise as Saints, with Fords being a throw to Salford) If Salford are too parocial and not brave enough then a new Manchester club.
Cheshire Wire (Warrington rebrand- same premise)
Lancashire Warriors or possibly Wigan Lancs (due to the strength of the Wigan brand)
Hull East Yorkshire
London SW Broncos

Tyne Thunder Newcastle rebrand, promoted to SL
Wales / Celtic Crusaders Back at Wrexham where they were successful and actually starting to get crowds.
Catalan Dragons
Toulouse Olympique who will probably be in next year anyway

Sky and most advertisers would pay double what they are currently paying on the basis of the rebrand alone. Most of those clubs are already in place and ready to go, but with some smart re-brands you are appealing to huge areas of the country, rather than a few hundred thousands in deprived northern towns. Some say its pie in the sky, it'll never happen because fans would be in arms, but IMO i would be prepared to lose the 20-40/50% who can't see the bigger picture and how much this increases the commercial viability of the game....they can be replaced rather than hold the game back and ultimately kill it!

You may add another one or possible 3/4 teams to that on a franchise model and on the basis of appealing to wider areas.
It Toronto can sort themselves and ultimately get Ottawa in, they would get places.
If cas sorted a new ground you could have West Yorkshire Tigers....otherwise if they want to remain parochial in their hovel of a ground they would play in a strong re-formed British Championship

British champions get the opportunity to apply for a SL licence should they wish every 3 years, upon condition of appealing to a wider area. Ie/ if york came in they'd be York North Yorkshire - Sheffield - South Yorkshire etc.

Yes it takes a huge mindshift, We need to be brave! But we are at a point where we can be parochial and backward thinking no longer.
The clubs need to embrace it, otherwise we're dead in the water in 10 years, back to semi pro and amateur.

If you're that childish and parochial you won't go if your team re-brand to represent a wider area, your a massive reason why the game is dying in the first place. Ultimately the game has to lose some of this deadwood to survive IMO.'"


It's almost as though you have re-branded to, to get ready for the even more Super, Super League icon_eek.gif

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All this cosmetic stuff, name changes, number of teams, format etc etc it's all bollox.

In its current guise, the clubs should be doing better than they are. It's live-action sport, rough and tumble, very affordable, family friendly. If you can't market that then it doesn't matter what cosmetic changes you make to the competition, it'll still have the same issues, nor will it change the fact the quality of the competition is poor and that's down to a poor player pool.

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15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 30th Jun
CH 13 Barrow0-36Wakefield
CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
L1 13 Oldham30-6Hunslet
L1 13 Workington18-37Keighley
NRL 17 St.George26-6Dolphins
NRL 17 Penrith6-16NQL Cowboys
NRL 17 Sydney40-6Wests
Sat 29th Jun
CH 13 Toulouse20-0Featherstone
CH 13 Doncaster18-8Swinton
NRL 17 NZ Warriors32-16Brisbane
NRL 17 Newcastle34-26Parramatta
NRL 17 Melbourne16-6Canberra
MINT2024 1 France M8-40England M
WINT2024 1 FRANCE W0-42ENGLAND W
Fri 28th Jun
NRL 17 Canterbury15-14Cronulla
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 14 403 164 239 24
St.Helens 15 423 162 261 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Warrington 15 358 213 145 20
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 15 274 270 4 16
Huddersfield 15 298 317 -19 12
Leigh 14 264 226 38 11
Castleford 15 238 429 -191 7
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 15 140 598 -458 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 13 354 217 137 20
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 13 270 377 -107 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
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