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| Despite there only being one French club in SL and one in the Championship, The French are taking over.
Catalan, despite the extra travel are riding high at the top of SL and Toulouse remain unbeaten during their Championship campaign.
Hull KR came up with the shock of the season last night, turning over Wigan on their own patch and it's to be hoped that there is a plan on how to fill Old Trafford, if Catalan make the Grand Final.
I do hope that the powers that be have thought about it, after all, there was a gentle warning when Catalan made the Cup Final a few years ago.
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| Not sure they will be top two come end of the season. My concern is the amount of French players (more so I the Catalan team) they seem to be relying more on English and imports. For me now we have left the EU we should now enforce that if English Superleague teams sign French players they are counted as quota players and if the French sign English players they also count. Catalan were brought to Superleague to strengthen their National team.
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| yes in theory, but perhaps too soon, having a couple of french teams at the top of their respective leagues, or even two french teams in superleague must provide some decent stimulus at grass roots level in the south of france... it will be many seasons ns until those players are knocking on the door, thats the time.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
it's to be hoped that there is a plan on how to fill Old Trafford, if Catalan make the Grand Final.
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Good point. Just imagine if in a couple of years Les Catalans meet Toulouse in the Challenge cup final, and meet again for the Old Trafford Superleague final....
But France still don't meet Great Britain at International level?? What a backfire that would be!!!
Good old Richard Lewis and good old Wrenners as you back this nonsense.....
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| Quote: BigRoy "yes in theory, but perhaps too soon, having a couple of french teams at the top of their respective leagues, or even two french teams in superleague must provide some decent stimulus at grass roots level in the south of france... it will be many seasons ns until those players are knocking on the door, thats the time.'"
Not sure Roy? We have big professional RL clubs across the M62 but grass roots playing numbers are falling, why should French kids be "stimulated" to play RL.
In France it's Rugby Unions that is a monster game, and French Soccer is also very big indeed.
Two French clubs in SL push out two English clubs
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| Quote: supercat "Not sure they will be top two come end of the season. My concern is the amount of French players (more so I the Catalan team) they seem to be relying more on English and imports. For me now we have left the EU we should now enforce that if English Superleague teams sign French players they are counted as quota players and if the French sign English players they also count. Catalan were brought to Superleague to strengthen their National team.'"
I dont think we should be going that far but, an agreed minimum of French players in their respective squads (if that can be a rule) would be a very good idea.
The ideal would be for SL to be strong enough to have 14 clubs, including Toulouse & Catalan.
Whether that's even a possibility, who the hell knows
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| Quote: Donnyman "Good point. Just imagine if in a couple of years Les Catalans meet Toulouse in the Challenge cup final, and meet again for the Old Trafford Superleague final....
But France still don't meet Great Britain at International level?? What a backfire that would be!!!
Good old Richard Lewis
Nice bit of spin Donny, you have a bright future in politics, I think.
Encouraging the only other genuine RL playing "nation" on this side of the planet, seems pretty sensible if we EVER want RL to prosper on the international stage and there is absolutely no doubt that the sport needs to spark more interest and more investment.
The obvious question regarding France is, are they more ore less likely to compete with 2 full time SL squads to chose from or with one.
Those in charge of the sport still seem to want the game to be stronger in France, which in the grand scheme of things, it seems the right way forward.
Just to be clear, I'm still advocating Toulouse as an additional club in SL and not to replace any of the existing clubs.
If RL wasn't so much on the fringes, we should also have London in the top flight in a 14 club top flight.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
Encouraging the only other genuine RL playing "nation" on this side of the planet, seems pretty sensible if we EVER want RL to prosper on the international stage and there is absolutely no doubt that the sport needs to spark more interest and more investment.
The obvious question regarding France is, are they more ore less likely to compete with 2 full time SL squads to chose from or with one.
Those in charge of the sport still seem to want the game to be stronger in France, which in the grand scheme of things, it seems the right way forward.
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Where have you been since 2007 when France got thumped by bigger and bigger scores every year and they eventually abandoned the GB/France tests?
You can keep up trying to say I'm bias or just spinning things, but France failed long ago.....
The real "obvious question" is how does the English game improve if you keep replacing English SL clubs with French ones.
You and all the others who think France is an answer to the games ill's consistently ignore the reality that if you put Toulouse in Superleague you have to then removes an English club like say Wakefield.
It was always the same with TWP, and Ottawa etc.
The blinkered view was and remains the more overseas clubs you put in SL the more the game may thrive internationally and spread.
Completely ignoring the reality this would kill the game as the SKY deal would be lost. Think about it for once
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| Quote: Donnyman "Where have you been since 2007 when France got thumped by bigger and bigger scores every year and they eventually abandoned the GB/France tests?
You can keep up trying to say I'm bias or just spinning things, but France failed long ago.....
The real "obvious question" is how does the English game improve if you keep replacing English SL clubs with French ones.
You and all the others who think France is an answer to the games ill's consistently ignore the reality that if you put Toulouse in Superleague you have to then removes an English club like say Wakefield.
It was always the same with TWP, and Ottawa etc.
The blinkered view was and remains the more overseas clubs you put in SL the more the game may thrive internationally and spread.
Completely ignoring the reality this would kill the game as the SKY deal would be lost. Think about it for once'"
You didn't read the post (or chose to ignore it).
There should be NO replacing English clubs with French clubs in SL.
However, having Toulouse and London in the top flight, in ADDITION to the current 12 clubs would be sensible from a RL point of view.
As for the Sky deal, i'm not privy to their ideas.
We have to find a way to encourage more interest and investment, end of.
Will this happen by retracting to the M62 corridor or by trying to appeal to a wider public, including those in South West France, where there is already some interest in the sport, the answer seems obvious.
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| I wasn’t aware that Langi, Whare, Davies, Maloney, Drinkwater, Dudson, McIllorum, Whitely, McMeeken, the Tomkins brothers and Kasiano all became French.
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| Quote: Willzay "I wasn’t aware that Langi, Whare, Davies, Maloney, Drinkwater, Dudson, McIllorum, Whitely, McMeeken, the Tomkins brothers and Kasiano all became French.'"
Oui, oui, just as soon as they pull on the Catalan shirt.
Nobody seems to mind where players originate in the round ball game.
Plus, how many Cas players play for Cas or Warrington players play for Wire ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
having Toulouse and London in the top flight, in ADDITION to the current 12 clubs would be sensible from a RL point of view.
We have to find a way to encourage more interest and investment, end of.
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After 25 years most in Superleague London now attract no investment at all from London
Their Northerner chairman/owner is the only investor.
One of the biggest and richest capitols in Europe and no interest or investment END OF
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| Quote: Donnyman "After 25 years most in Superleague London now attract no investment at all from London
Their Northerner chairman/owner is the only investor.
One of the biggest and richest capitols in Europe and no interest or investment END OF'"
you get on about me falling for wind ups, if there was going to be any investment it would of happened by now
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| Wouldn’t invite another French team in without putting something in place ensuring the talent pool gets a kick up the backside. French players of quality in their team is getting smaller and sharing the talent pool with Toulouse could shrink this further. As mentioned before their needs to be a quota on French players over here and likewise if french teams sign players from uk.
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| Quote: supercat "Wouldn’t invite another French team in without putting something in place ensuring the talent pool gets a kick up the backside. French players of quality in their team is getting smaller and sharing the talent pool with Toulouse could shrink this further. As mentioned before their needs to be a quota on French players over here and likewise if french teams sign players from uk.'"
If we are going to have French SL clubs they need to provide French SL quality players and French TV money.
Same applied to Canadian clubs with Perez acknowledging from the start that TWP would deliver this, and when they didn't provide a single player nor a single TV dollar he said it would "take time" to kick the can down the road. Then they collapsed....
I'm all for supporting the French 100% especially providing top French players with Careers in Superleague like Theo Fages trouble is after 15 years they couldn't even raise a seven a side team of French superleague players who were first choice for their clubs....
But of course this is all apparently "expansion" despite the fact that in 2020 we had only 10 English Superleague clubs
Back in 1999 we had 14 English SL clubs........
This last three seasons has been full of utter garbage as regards "expansion"
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