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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



..from 2 anonymous backers from NY and London as well as confirming that they will play out of the Red Bull Arena (which is in New Jersey BTW, not New York.)
Steve Mascord also tweets that they have letters of Intent from sponsors in the world of air travel and Hotels, with the Players for this pipe dream flying business class icon_lol.gif
2020 is when they expect to start and have budgeted for 5k games in year 1....

.....so this PE teacher and online brochure printer plans to have an 80% empty stadium, in a borough that isn't New York for a team called New York in a sport that most Americans have never heard of and he has £5,000,000 in backing.

February can't come too quickly d040.gif d040.gif d040.gif and remember, Brian Noble and David Argyle where already whinging about extra costs at the end of last season, so £5 million won't last long.

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We get it, you don’t want North American teams to succeed.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: ThePrinter "We get it, you don’t want North American teams to succeed.'"

Not at all....... But there's no joined up thinking going on here...... Argyle has abandon developing Canadian players and this bloke has no Pedigree in anything about running a pro sports club let alone an expansion one as is shown by their supposed target of 5k fans in a 25k seat stadium......

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Quote: Call Me God "Not at all....... But there's no joined up thinking going on here...... Argyle has abandon developing Canadian players and this bloke has no Pedigree in anything about running a pro sports club let alone an expansion one as is shown by their supposed target of 5k fans in a 25k seat stadium......'"
but according to your signature you don't need away fans so why have home ones

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Quote: Call Me God "..from 2 anonymous backers from NY and London as well as confirming that they will play out of the Red Bull Arena (which is in New Jersey BTW, not New York.)
Steve Mascord also tweets that they have letters of Intent from sponsors in the world of air travel and Hotels, with the Players for this pipe dream flying business class You do no new jersey is just the other side of the river, like over a couple of bridges, and millions live in that part of new jersey that makes up the New York metropolitan area,and commute to Manhattan daily, its just like north and south London, and the biggest fact of all, met life stadium home of the New York jets and giants is in new jersey. so whats your point.

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Quote: rollin thunder "You do no new jersey is just the other side of the river, like over a couple of bridges, and millions live in that part of new jersey that makes up the New York metropolitan area,and commute to Manhattan daily, its just like north and south London, and the biggest fact of all, met life stadium home of the New York jets and giants is in new jersey. so whats your point.'"

Indeed. New York is a state as well as a city, and the city of New York consists of the 'five boroughs' of Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island AND New Jersey.

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Quote: Asgardian13 "Indeed. New York is a state as well as a city, and the city of New York consists of the 'five boroughs' of Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island AND New Jersey.'"


Sorry but NJ isn't one of the 5 boroughs swap it for the Bronx

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Quote: Uncle Rico "Sorry but NJ isn't one of the 5 boroughs swap it for the Bronx'"

Yes the bronx is the 5th, new jersey newark is one if new yoks airports.
New york is a bit like London where middlesex sussex kent all border the city if London and encrouch onto the greater London boroughs

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Quote: Asgardian13 "Indeed. New York is a state as well as a city, and the city of New York consists of the 'five boroughs' of Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island AND New Jersey.'"


New Jersey is state. With Jersey city, NJ sat on the Hudson just opposite Manhattan.

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if someone decided to build, say, wakefield a stadium 10 miles away from the city would it be the same issue?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: snowie "but according to your signature you don't need away fans so why have home ones'"

No. What my signature says is that there are pro's and con's for having expansion into North America and that "away fans" are not that important. The Break even figure is 10,000 fans at games according to a number of RL chairmen, so yes, Home fans are important.....ask David Hughes who was bankrolling us to the tune of £2,000,000 back when we had 4,500 home fans.

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Quote: Call Me God "No. What my signature says is that there are pro's and con's for having expansion into North America and that "away fans" are not that important. The Break even figure is 10,000 fans at games according to a number of RL chairmen, so yes, Home fans are important.....ask David Hughes who was bankrolling us to the tune of £2,000,000 back when we had 4,500 home fans.'"

No break even is income coming in and expenditure going out. If you have good sponsorship tv deals etc you can get by on no fans potentially. I posted that previously on another thread.

If you have 5,000 fans but a £2m sponsorship deal then that gives you the same income probably as 10,000 fans and a 1 million pound sponsorship deal.

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Quote: Durham Giant "No break even is income coming in and expenditure going out. If you have good sponsorship tv deals etc you can get by on no fans potentially. I posted that previously on another thread.

If you have 5,000 fans but a £2m sponsorship deal then that gives you the same income probably as 10,000 fans and a 1 million pound sponsorship deal.'"


Yes but it's usually easier to retain your fans than sponsorship deals , and generally the bigger your fan base , the better sponsorship and TV deals you can get , it isn't a ' chicken and egg ' scenario

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Durham Giant "No break even is income coming in and expenditure going out. If you have good sponsorship tv deals etc you can get by on no fans potentially. I posted that previously on another thread.

If you have 5,000 fans but a £2m sponsorship deal then that gives you the same income probably as 10,000 fans and a 1 million pound sponsorship deal.'"


The Point is that 10,000 fans was declared by Hudgell as his need to have number so he'd stop having to prop Rovers up to the tune of 500k a year. Back to the Gymnastics teacher in NYC (or Jersey or any other area in the wider metropolitan area that could be associated with NYC)
The Red Bull Arena doesn't have any open areas to house a Beer Festival, but what it does have is food concessions already in place who will expect the 5,000 bewildered fans to buy from them. calling a 6k crowd an 8k crowd in a 9K stadium may work in Toronto, but 5k in a 25k state of the art stadium is hardly going to have them flooding back....it hasn't worked in the birthplace of the game and it won't work here either....5,700 in a 24k stadium looks bloody awful and this is an attempt to get Americans Hooked on the game? Google the recent USA V Jamaica Qualifier in Jacksonville......there were fewer than 100 people in attendance.......
......as for the £2,000,000 in sponsorship? Really? Argyle hailed his "contra deal" with the airline as the biggest ever then whined about the cost of extra tickets at the end of last season.......some people need to get a grip on reality.
If the RFL had an assurance of a £5,000,000 bond, the Rimmer would have been all over this, as would Nigel who was apparently out there doing more due diligence..... d040.gif

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Quote: Call Me God "..from 2 anonymous backers from NY and London as well as confirming that they will play out of the Red Bull Arena (which is in New Jersey BTW, not New York.)
Steve Mascord also tweets that they have letters of Intent from sponsors in the world of air travel and Hotels, with the Players for this pipe dream flying business class Not exactly sure why Steve Mascord has anything to do with it, running an online shop is slightly different to been involved in a sports club. Farcical if you ask me.

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