Are they even competitions anymore?

Hull KR are currently 9 from 9 with an average score of 42-14, Toronto are 4 from 4 with an average score of 58-10

Last season saw Leigh win 21 of 23 with an average score of 39-18, the season before they were 21 of 23 with an average score of 43-15, the season before they were 25 of 26 with an average of 40-15.
Last season saw Toulouse win 13 of 14 with an average score of 51-14

since the return of P+R was announced in 2014, the top team in the championship has a record of 57 wins in 62 games. Since we started putting international sides in to League 1, they have a record of 17 wins in 18 games.

Under the new system meanwhile the bottom of the leagues has seen:
In the championship
Doncaster 2pts
Whitehave 11pts
Dewsbury 0pts

in League 1
South wales 2pts
Oxford, South Wales and Hemel 2pts
South Wales, Coventry, Hemel opts.

If the current structure continues (which i hope it doesnt) then the lower leagues will collapse as interest wanes in competitions where the winner is known before it even starts and some clubs simply descend to punching bags and training runs.

This is what happens when you raise the salary cap in the championship leagues for the sake of the few the many. It'll happen again in SL just when we have an even competition.

You have full time, semi pro and part time sides all within the same league structure and you expect things to be even? Lol no.
And that's before we even consider the way the central funds are distributed.

This system was completely fecked from the moment it was conceived. Everybody on here saw it the moment it became public knowledge, and yet somehow it still got voted in.

League 1 next season should be closer though, unless new boys Tokyo Titans are 'full-time' also.

I've already got bored of watching the Toronto games on Premier, they are simply no contests, and are becoming boring and listening to Woods/Noble cream themselves over how good they have been is almost like they are suggesting both teams are equal.

I know it's not against the rules but i find it a bit against the fairness of the game when 1 team can sign many players so much better than the league they are in.
They've added Ryan Bailey and Sean Penkywicz to their squad this week, they don't need them, why couldn't they find a couple of Canadian youngsters to add to their squad and develop rather than sign another 2 experienced players to make their miles better than anyone else squad even more miles better?

Maybe it's just me but i fail to see how this is benefiting the game.

Exactly the same for me.

Agree it was like the old days when Wigan were full time pros and the rest were not it is

Absolutely bang on.
RFL in short term fix shocker

IF we are going to have "satellite" clubs in France or N. America, which is open for debate, they have to be supported and protected.
The prospect of Toulouse or Toronto making it into SL is very real but, should they make it and get promoted and then relegated the following season, there is little benefit to the sport.
Equally, putting Toronto in the third tier, actually "deprives" another club their shot at promotion.

Although it may be unpalatable to some, the expansion clubs should be "fast tracked" to the top flight and then protected.

Of course, the pay off for this has to be an improved TV deal, if not, the jam just get's spread ever more thinly and when we aren't exactly blessed with cash, this would damage every club.

There seems little alternative that to return to a franchise based system and we should include KR in any expanded top flight.

Realistically, they are the only Championship club, aside from Toulouse, that will make the grade in the near future.
We could also include Bradford but, this may be seen as rewarding failure, although we all know that there is a fair amount of potential there.

I could not agree more, I have no problem with them entering the competition but hear we go again, unlevel playing field until we get them fast tracked to SL? Mr Nobel, broke the salary cap when coaching, Bradford, Wigan & Salford, I sure it will not matter with Toronto.

IMO atm there are possibly 16 clubs who could sustain an SL team/Franchise. So here is my 2 pence worth.

2 Leagues of 8 (Pool A & Pool B) Randomly drawn or seeded pre season.
Play each team twice in your pool then each team from opposing pool once. This would give us 21 regular league games.
Top 4 from each pool go into the playoffs.
Challenge cup to have a league stage.
If you want P&R then bottom 2 from each pool to play top 4 from championship in a similar format to what we have now in the middle 8s.

The only issue here is that we would need more funding for the extra 4 teams.

Shoot me down if you will but that's just my opinion.

IF there are only 16 clubs that could sustain a SL franchise, why have the play off with clubs from the Championship who, by your own definition, aren't sustainable in SL ?

We either keep P/R or revert to some kind of Franchise/Licence system, without P/R, unless a club goes into admin/goes pop, which should be automatic demotion.

One of the aspects of the previous system is that new clubs could have been added "when they were ready" (such as Leigh) but, this was never done and instead, we went for the hair brained scheme we have now.

This season is a bit of a one off, when they are in the Championship I think they will be a lot more competitive with upper teams at least. The issue of relegated sides being all conquering in Championship is a tough one but to be fair, the system allows a top 4 to have a chance - 1 up 1 down would be worse tbh.

I put the P&R in there to appease the clubs who may one day be able to build and develop a club who are good enough to be in SL. While this is not the case if there were 16 SL clubs, it wouldn't totally shut the door.

If you go for the franchise model, by definition, you cant have PR.
You can however, give a licence to a new/additional club or rescind the licence of any failing club.

The main benefit of the old system was the ability to develop young players in a "protected" league and this will always be more difficult when league status is on the line.

You can have P&R and licensing. A license can be awarded based upon performance on the field(along with other factors if required).