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Watching Leeds demolish Warrington tonight, after watching them demolish Saints last week, I can't help feeling that something is happening which is bigger than simply a good team hitting a purple patch. Leeds are comprehensively rejecting the orthodoxy which has dominated Super League for the last 15 years, and it looks to me like they're showing the way.

There are two components of this challenge It's not all about the forwards

Leeds' pack is good, don't get me wrong. But it's not miles above all others. Indeed, it has two fairly old men in Peacock and Leuluai, some kids like Singleton who are good, but not notably different from promising kids in other teams, and a couple of old pros like Delaney. The orthodoxy says that forwards grind you upfield, winning territory, and then you get over the line through a kick or manufacturing a fallover try from close range. Leeds are not doing that. Their forwards do see their role as providing for their backs, not simply by doing 4 heads-down drives for 40 metres, but by sucking in defenders with an expansive offloading game which causes havoc with set defences. Saints' pack is arguably stronger than Leeds, but how much easier must it be for defenders to prepare for Saints' big men doing their one-off hit-ups, than it is to deal with having to get three men into every tackle on a Leeds forward because if you don't, they'll offload (and they'll probably offload even if you do).

The result is that defences - whether they intended to or not - are compressing in the middle, providing Leeds' backs with plenty of space to run at a defence which is already in chaos because of the unpredictability created by the offload game. And what backs ! Leeds have the best fullback in Hardaker, the best centre in Watkins, and arguably Moon, Briscoe and Hall are all in the top three in their position. This is where Leeds' money has gone, and whereas most teams are basing their game around either the hooker (Saints), or the kicking game of a halfback (Huddersfield et al), Leeds' entire game is based around getting the ball to their prodigiously talented threequarters. It's lovely to watch, but it's also devastatingly effective against Super League defences who have been conditioned their entire professional careers to defend against the rigid structured forward-territory game.

For a long time now, fans and pundits have stated that "backs win you games, but forwards win you trophies". Leeds are turning this on its head. The Leeds game is a creative, backs-dominated game in which the role of the forwards has been redefined to one in which they support the backs not by winning yards, but by creating space in the defensive line. The last time we saw a team whose backs were winning the competition for them was possibly the 90's Saints teams of Iro, Newlove, Goulding, Albert, Sullivan, Hunte and Martyn (which, interestingly, was also a team with a decent but not exceptional pack, which included some offloading mavericks like McVey). The unquestioned orthodoxy of backs feeding off the scraps forwards leave behind is being turned on its head, and the other super league teams can't handle it.

It's not all about percentages

I can't give Leeds sole credit for this. There's a team in Australia which has adopted a similar tactic, and there was a little-remarked-on thread on this site with a link to the story a while back (sorry, can't find it). The orthodoxy says that you play percentages. You don't push the pass, you don't risk errors, you play the arm-wrestle, and possession is everything. This is one reason why we've become such a forward dominated competition. Then a team in the Aussie second tier competition got the idea that what mattered was not the number of times you had the ball, it was how long you had the ball. If you play an offloading game - like Leeds do - then your time in possession is higher than if you don't - even with the same number of sets. Leeds run defences ragged, because defending takes a lot more energy out of you than attacking, and if you manage to actually force the defenders to make contact and then offload, then you're getting them to make more than 6 tackles. In some of those sets Leeds had tonight, and against Saints, the Saints and Wire defenders were making twelve or more tackles. Leeds defenders rarely had to make more than five when defending a set against the orthodox percentage attack. That's a huge energy advantage and one which then creates tired defences.

It's misleading when pundits talk about people getting tired in the last 10 minutes of each half. You get tired after [ieach [/itackle, because it takes effort out of you, and even for a very fit athlete, it can take several seconds to recover breath and composure after a heavy collision. Much of that recovery is traditionally done when you're defending to the left of the PTB and you see the ball go right. So you switch off, breathe deep and jog slowly back the ten. Against Leeds you can't, as they're going to offload and come back at you. You [ihave [/ito be on the balls of your feet all the time. When they have the ball, there's no respite at all. After three tackles of scrambling around the middle, the defenders are going to be less reactive than they would be against a more structured and predictable attack. This is why gaps appear at all times in the game, not just the last ten minutes. It might only be 15 minutes in, but that bloke at C defender has already had two collisions and scrambled for another, and his feet are temporarily leaden; run Watkins at him.

Leeds might put the ball down occasionally (although clearly they practice very hard to ensure that there are men ready and able to take offloads), but when they do, their opponents are so knackered and disorganised from defending against the Leeds attack that they are unlikely to offer much in attack which Leeds' competent defence can handle relatively easily. They are absolutely not playing the percentages, and what they do would have the other 11 Super League coaches snapping their pencils in frustration at the risks. It's a credit to McDermott that he is willing to allow and encourage his players to do this.

It's quite possible that what we're seeing is more than just a very good team hitting great form - we could be seeing the emergence of a new style of rugby league which is going to require a fairly radical shift in thinking by coaching staff and talent scouts in all our clubs : stop training all your 6'2" athletes to be forwards - train them as threequarters; and stop demanding your forwards win ground and a fast PTB - teach them how to offload and support.

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Good post. And I hope we are seeing the emergence of a new style of Rugby League, because it's better to watch than the current one.

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Basically everybody's starting to play like Leigh

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Well the hiring of McGuire at Wigan and Brown at Hudds saw an introduction of the wrestling tactics that had seen the sport become often hard to watch even as a neutral.

Every so often sports see shifts. See cricket with the new aggressive approach or even football where more Premiership teams are trying to play good passing play instead of parking the bus (although Chelsea still show it can work a treat).

What makes Leeds' style of play so remarkable is that it's the same coach and pretty much the same team as the last two years when our attack was tedious and boring and couldn't score enough points compared to our rivals. To have switched it around in one off season is outstanding.

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Quote: Dick Jones "Starbug here

Basically everybody's starting to play like Leigh'"


Playing like niggly sods and winding up opposition into getting a card????

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So why do the rank-average Pies stuff them every time then?

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It's the footwork in that Leeds side that stands out for me. Even the big guys like Peacock, Cuthbertson, Garbutt and Singleton can all make it difficult for defenders to get a clean hit, meaning they win the contact and play the ball quickly. Immediately the likes of Aiton and Burrow are on the front foot and they attack defenders around the ruck who aren't quite set and communicating. It's like a boulder rolling downhill, quick play leads to quick play leads to the backs getting good early ball in space. There are very few players in that side who run head down, backside up straight into collision.

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Quote: just_browny "So why do the rank-average Pies stuff them every time then?'"


It's 2-1 so far this season. Hardly stuffing us every time.

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Two words,Adam Cuthbertson.The missing piece of the jigsaw that seems to have sparked a style of play that the whole team has bought into and has allowed our three quarter line, which has been by far the best in the league the last few years, to run riot on the back of it.

If it is true Paul Aiton has broken his arm tonight though, having to go back to Burrow as our 9 for the rest of the year will probably bring us back to the pack as he too has been awesome.

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The rest of the title contenders should breathe a big sigh of relief that Aiton has possibly broken his arm. Makes a significant difference to us.

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We all love Leeds (Deep down).

As a Saints fan I should really despise Leeds, they've caused so much heartache over recent seasons. However I can't help but love them. Superb players, playing the game the right way, aiming to play the game on the front foot and let their talent come to the fore. Everytime I watch Saints lose to other sides I'm annoyed, blaming the ref, the dirty opposition or our own players for their ineptitude. But with Leeds I'm always pretty calm, admiring their performance and very comfortable with their superiority.

Other clubs have tried to do it different, having the vision to change. But they did it by aiming to mame opposition players with cannonball tackles, a tactic they are still employing to this day. That combined with unnecessary recklessness does nothing for the sport. I'll take Leeds' way of speed, footwork and exploiting the ruck and the width in equal measures any day. It'll set Saints back a few years until we learn to adapt but the sport is in good hands if this is the direction it's headed in.

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They had a great game today but its not always like that. It was only a few week back we beat them pretty easy at headingley.

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Quote: cas all the way "They had a great game today but its not always like that. It was only a few week back we beat them pretty easy at headingley.'"


When we had the Sunday-Thursday short 4 day turnaround and the scores were level with 10 minutes to go until our young winger Handley, whose best mate had died a few days before dropped a high ball?

Yeah easy.

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From the very beginning when taking over as head coach in 2010 Brian McDermott wanted to implement this style of play but didn’t have the key personal back then to what the team has now. It was frustrating as a Leeds fan to watch the emergence of this style even in our cup winning seasons because winning matches seemed to rely on one out football and individual brilliance. Not anymore.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Playing like niggly sods and winding up opposition into getting a card????'"


Starbug here

You know so little it's embarrassing

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