We've had a thread on 1st 17s. What do other teams look like when you get beyond that. I've had a go at Salford's, using every player in the squad and only bringing forward 3 to make up the numbers from the '1st squad' but in different positions to test whether there is cover for all positions

We wouldn't want to go into (m)any games with the 2nd 17 but, sadly, it's not a million miles off being as strong as some of our previous 1st 17s and would have to be one hell of injury crisis to get anywhere near it. There are lots of other variations depending on which players you bring from first to second, but is just a bit of fun


1 Locke................Jones-Bishop
2 Jones-Bishop......Ford
3 J Griffin.............Gee
4 Sau...................Caton-Brown
5 Johnson.............Evalds
6 Chase...............Lee
7 Dobson.............Fages
8 Morley..............A Walne
9 Lee...................Hood
10 Tasi..................D Griffin
11 Hansen............Dixon
12 Hauraki............Walton
13 Hock ...............J Walne

14 Fages..............Menzies
15 Taylor..............Forster
16 Puletua............England
17 Paterson..........G Griffin

How do other teams look?

1st team

Bowen, Charnley, Gelling, Sarginson, Burgess,
Powell, Smith,
Mossop, McIlorum, Flower,
Tomkins, Farrell, O'Loughlin.

Subs- Tautai, Crosby, Bateman, Williams.

2nd Team

Tierney, Manfredi, Gildart, Thornley, Marshall,
Hampshire, Doran,
Clubb, Tomkins, Patrick, Pettybourne, C Farrell, Sutton.

Subs- Greenwood, Dudson, Lloyd, Lever.

1st Team

Ratchford, J.Monaghan, C.Bridge, Atkins, R.Evans
O'Brien, Myler
Hill, Clark, Sims
Westwood, Laithwaite, Grix
Subs - Asotasi, B.Evans, Harrison, Higham

2nd Team

Russell, Penny, Currie, T.King, Ormsby
Patton, Wheeler
Wood, Higham, England
Philbin, D.Bridge, Harrison

Subs - G.King, Walker, B.Evans, Asotasi

Really struggled numbers wise at the end as a few young lads like Dwyer and G.Riley have moved on to other clubs

1st Team

1. Hardaker *
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon *
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. McGuire
8. Leuluai
9. Burrow
10. Peacock
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. Ablett *
13. Delaney

14. Aiton
15. Singleton *
16. Cuthbertson *
17. Sutcliffe *

2nd Team, was struggling, have had to steal 6 from 1st team.

1. Briscoe, L
2. Hardaker *
3. Handley
4. Ablett *
5. Keinhorst
6. Moon *
7. Sutcliffe *
8. Mulhern
9. Ward, R
10. Yates
11. Walters
12. Achurch
13. Ward, S

14. Golding
15. Singleton *
16. Minchella
17. Cuthbertson *

I think it's unrealistic, in fact impossible, to name 2 lots of 17 without naming people that nobody outside of that club has heard if.

Naming 2 lots of 13 is much more realistic and still shows the "next best" for each position without just naming a gang of kids that nobody knows. (See above examples)

Saints

Lomax, Makinson, Turner, Percival, Swift, Burns, Walsh, Masoe, Roby, Amor, Vea, Wilkin, McCarthy-Scarsbrook

Wellens, Dawson, Fleming, Jones, Ashworth, Hohaia, Hewitt, Richards, Fozard, Walmsley, Thompson, Flanagan, Charnock

Not used: Walker, Greenwood, Hand, Savelio, Davies

Castleford Tigers

1st Team
1. Luke Dorn
2. Kirk Dixon
3. Jake Webster
4. Michael Shenton
5. Justin Carney
6. Ben Roberts
7. Luke Gale
8. Andy Lynch
9. Adam Milner
10. Lee Jewitt
11. Grant Millington
12. Junior Moors
13. Oliver Holmes
Bench:-
14. Scott Moore
15. Ryan Boyle
16. Frankie Mariano
17. Nathan Massey

2nd Team
1. Denny Solomona
2. James Clare
3. Michael Channing
4. Ashley Gibson
5. Jordan Tansey
6. Liam Finn
7. Brandon Moore
8. Scott Wheeldon
9. Tom Holmes
10. Steve Crossley
11. Matt Cook
12. Mike McMeeken
13. Jordan Howden
Bench:-
14. Will Maher
15. Ashley Robson
16. Brandon Westerman
17. -

I think Cas could do with one more prop forward because we our light in that position. but we have got cover in the likes of Cook, Moors, Mariano & Millington who can cover.

1. Hall/ Sammut/ Owen/ Jowitt
2. Owen/ Johnston
3. Collis/ Hall
4. Lyne/ Ryan
5. Riley/ Lyne/ Hall
6. Sammut/ Hall/ Godinet/ Miller
7. T Smith/ Miller/ Sammut
8. Anderson/ Paea/ D Smith
9. McShane/ Godinet
10. Scruton/ Simon/ Kirke/ Trout
11. Kirmond/ Ashurst/ Molloy
12. Lauitiiti/ Ryan/ Annakin
13. Washbrook/ Crowther/ Annakin

First Team
Sammut
Owen
Collis
Lyne
Riley
Hall
T Smith
Anderson
McShane
Scruton
Kirmond
Ryan
Washbrook

Second Team
Jowitt
Johnston
Crowther
Ryan
Annakin
Lauitiiti
Miller
Paea
Godinet
Simon
Kirke
Ashurst
D Smith

Trinity are stacked out in the forwards, backs less so.

Owen
Lyne
Hall
Collis
Riley
Sammut
Smith
Anderson
McShane
Scruton
Kirmond
Annakin
Kirke

Jowitt
Johnstone
Ryan
Ashurst
-
Miller
Godinet
Simon
Washbrook
Paea
Trout
Lauitiiti
Smith

It's pretty hard to name a second Hull 17 (as with any team really) without dipping into guys who don't have a squad number or playing people out of position. But the following would be a decent team.

Naughton
Logan
Whiting
Yeaman
Lancaster
Rankin
Harry Tyson Wilson
Bowden
Cunningham
Thompson
Turgut
Hadley
Abdull

Bobby Tyson Wilson
Fash
Downs
A. N. Other from the under 19s

It's a young team and lacks size in the pack, but there's some real talent there.

First team:
1. Russell
2. Evans
3. Bridge
4. Atkins
5. Monaghan
6. Ratchford
7. Myler
8. Sims
9. Clark
10. Hill
11. Laithwaite
12. Westwood
13. Grix

14. Higham
15. Harrison
16. Ben Evans
17. Currie

Second team:
1.
2. Ormsby
3. Wheeler
4. T King
5. Penny
6. O' Brien
7. Patton
8. Walker
9.
10. England
11. Philbin
12. Asotasi
13. Wood

14.
15. G King
16.
17.

These are the lads who realistically will feature next year, maybe a handful more from the under 19's might get a shirt number though.

Utility

Fullbacks
Ben Cockayne (2015)
Josh Guzdek(2015)

Wingers
Kieran Dixon (2017)
Josh Mantellato (2017)
Ken Sio (2017)

Centre's
Kris Welham (2015)
Daryll Goulding (2017)
Liam Salter (2016)
Macauley Hallet (2016)

Halfbacks
Albert Kelly (2016
Maurice Blair (2016)
Matty Marsh (2016)


Props
James Green (2016)
Adam Walker (2017)
Michael Weyman (2015)
Jordan Cox (2016)
Ryan Bailey(2016)
Mitch Allgood

Hookers
Keal Carlisle (2015)
Connor Robinson (2015)
John Boudebza (2015)

2nd Row
Graham Horne (2015)
Tyron Mcarthy (2016)
Kevin Larroyer (2015)
James Donaldson (2016)
Aaron Ollett (2016)
Stephen Holker (2016)
Sonny Esslemont (2015)

Loose
Greg Burke (2015)

i'll have a go at giants, as i see our first 17:

murphy-grix/connor
broughton-mcintosh
wardle-connor
cudjoe-connor
mcgillvary-mcintosh
brough-wood
ellis-robinson
crabtree-kopczak
lunt-leeming
huby-mullally
ferres-ta'ai
hughes-roberts
bailey-lawrence

lawrence-fairbank
kopczak-josh johnson
robinson-
ta'ai-liam johnson