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I see no reason why you can't have a 8 year run.

2013 - WC UK
2014 - 4 nations in NZ
2015 - WCC extended edition - Oz
2016 - 4 nations in UK
2017 - WC (Oz/South Africa)
2018 - 4 nations in Oz
2019 - WCC in UK
2020 - 4 nations in France

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: bewareshadows "I see no reason why you can't have a 8 year run.

2013 - WC UK
2014 - 4 nations in NZ
2015 - WCC extended edition - Oz
2016 - 4 nations in UK
2017 - WC (Oz/South Africa)
2018 - 4 nations in Oz
2019 - WCC in UK
2020 - 4 nations in NZ

etc etc etc'"

Club footy, as in the WCC needs to be played every year and it needs to be kept separate from Internationals.

2013 RLWC (Europe)
2014 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2015 4 Nations (Europe)
2016 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2017 RLWC (AU/NZ) south Africa is a pipe dream
2018 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2019 4 Nations AU/NZ - PI's Nations cup played in SH
2020 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2021 RLWC (NH)

Standardise the 2 domestic comps....start and finish the same weekends March to early October Tours/events completed by Late November.

The only sticking point is the Magic Weekend which I would bin in favour of trying to get the international game sorted.

Mid October - 6 weeks of Euro 6 nations/ PI's competition, GB/ANZAC tours/ 4 Nations comps with the game coming together for a RLWC every 4 years with groups seeded based on results in the previous 3 seasons.

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Quote: gutterfax "Club footy, as in the WCC needs to be played every year and it needs to be kept separate from Internationals.

2013 RLWC (Europe)
2014 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2015 4 Nations (Europe)
2016 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2017 RLWC (AU/NZ) south Africa is a pipe dream
2018 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2019 4 Nations AU/NZ - PI's Nations cup played in SH
2020 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2021 RLWC (NH)

Standardise the 2 domestic comps....start and finish the same weekends March to early October Tours/events completed by Late November.

The only sticking point is the Magic Weekend which I would bin in favour of trying to get the international game sorted.

Mid October - 6 weeks of Euro 6 nations/ PI's competition, GB/ANZAC tours/ 4 Nations comps with the game coming together for a RLWC every 4 years with groups seeded based on results in the previous 3 seasons.'"



No problem binning the Magic weekend, but the 2 domestic comps are hard to start and finish together. CC and Easter Weekend spring to mind, both are still big earners for all levels of clubs.

Also the reason I would only play the extended WCC every 4 years is that it allows for 4 years of qualifications. The WCC as it is can still be played in between. But the extended edition would need 3 weeks minimum. It's all a pipe dream of course as I doubt the NRL are that moved to want to make any changes at the moment.

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I think I've just derailed this thread. Time to move this bit.

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World Club Challenge is nothing to do with internationals and shouldn't be considered here.

Year 0: WC
Year 1: 4N/Pacific Cup/European Cup
Year 2: 4N/WCQ
Year 3: WCQ/Test series
Year 4: WC

That's how it should and hopefully will be from now on.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: bewareshadows "No problem binning the Magic weekend, but the 2 domestic comps are hard to start and finish together. CC and Easter Weekend spring to mind, both are still big earners for all levels of clubs.

Also the reason I would only play the extended WCC every 4 years is that it allows for 4 years of qualifications. The WCC as it is can still be played in between. But the extended edition would need 3 weeks minimum. It's all a pipe dream of course as I doubt the NRL are that moved to want to make any changes at the moment.'"


The Challenge Cup is historically important but I'd draw the line at the ties being "big earners" for the clubs.

It all depends on what is perceived as best for the game. If the clubs see the benefit to a set International scene, if the governing bodies can get agreement from all parties and if the media partners and sponsors can be tied down, I see it as key to the long term development of the game that more emphasis is placed on Internationals.

This will be the most spotlight the game gets for at least another 8 years......what's needed is a media buzz every year like the one Union gets for the 6 nations and then again in the Autumn internationals.

There's nothing so jingoistic as an Englishman and playing Johnny Foreigner at any sport generally gets white flags flapping from car windows!

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I included it as part of my post on the structure of the game thread but here's what I'd do:
A consistent 8 year cycle

Year 1: World Cup
Year 2: 5 Nations in SH. (Eng, Aus, NZ, PNG, Fiji)
Year 3: Australia tour of UK/France. 3 Test Series v GB plus games against a couple of clubs and France
Year 4: GB tour of NZ. 3 Test Series v NZ plus a game against PNG
Year 5: World Cup
Year 6: 5 Nations in UK/France (Eng, Aus, NZ, Wales, France)
Year 7: GB tour of Australia. 3 Test series v Aus plus games against clubs
Year 8: NZ tour of UK/France. 3 Test Series v GB plus game v France

Plus an annual, mid-season 5 Nations comp in UK/France of England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales & France. And an annual, mid-season 4 Nations comp in SH of Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and Fiji.

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We need to build on the esxcitement of the RLWCwith an Ahses series the year after

I'd go
Year 0 RLWC Europe
Year 1 Ashes test series down under, Pacific and European cup
Year 2 6 nations (Eng,Oz,NZ, +PNG or France depending on hemisphere being payed in + cup winners (or runners up if winner france or PNG) from previous year)
Year 3 Ashes test series UK, World cup qualifying tournaments
Year 5 RLWC OZ&NZ

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You've gotta give the top players a break sometimes.

Have a domestic international series in the season.

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The world Club challenge is an odd one. I’d love to see an extended one but fitting it in to a crammed calendar is difficult. I think it needs to us to either be a bit more creative or cut down on the number of league games the top players play.

I think the international calendar is pretty simple, 5 nations mid season tournament in NH every year with home nations and France. Italy look to be next boat off the dock when applicable. Games played on designated free weekends. Oz, Nz, Fiji, Tonga and Samoa play same tournament at same time in SH. 4 games, 5 weeks. Includes a rest week.

End of years 8 year cycle (starting next year)

year 1 4 nations SH
Year 2 Proper tour SH
Year 3 4 nations NH
Year 4 WC SH
Year 5 4 nations NH
Year 6 proper tour NH
Year 7 4 nations SH
Year 8 WC NH

I think it is also important that we be clear that an SH tour by England doesn’t just mean 3 games against the Aussies. I can imagine the governments of Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and PNG would be very welcoming of an England side playing those nations in those nations. I also can’t imagine too many players having a big problem spending 6 weeks in paradise playing RL.

We line up the seasons so they start and end on the same day. One month between end of club season start of international comp. The WCC to be played in whichever hemisphere the international tournament is to be played. Top 4 in each competition. 1st/3rd SL in a group with 2nd/4th NRL and vice-versa. Each side plays the 2 teams from the other comp once, top team in each group go to WCC final. Champions of each comp start on 1 point. That’s a three week competition that would take us up to the international season.

For fitting it in to the season, we can scrap the exiles game which is two weeks back, one WCC week would be replace. That would leave us needing to find 4 weeks (mid season internationals would be 4 weeks, expanded WCC would be 3 meaning we need to find 7 weeks). I would also look at limiting players to playing a certain amount of club matches per season but expanding the SC and squad size to cover this, say add another 8 players taking squad sizes to 33 expand the SC by 250k for those additional 8 players but insist 5 of them are under 21.

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Well my thoughts may be ambitious but I think the bottom line is to allow countries to build and stop players from changing allegiance every country must be given an opportunity to play competitive internationals. More work must be done to allow U21's competitions for a start and eventually we may get to a point where once your capped for one country you have to stick to it. That I believe must be the long term goal. I'd also like to extend the four nations to a five nations, its absolutely valuable we give more countries the chance to play the big teams.

I would go for.

Year one : Five Nations in Northern Hemisphere (Top 3 ranked Countries from NH and Top 2 Ranked Countries from SH) Northern Hemisphere Shield and a Pacific Cup for other nations.
Year two : Northern Hemisphere Cup (Top 8 Ranked European Nations) and a Southern Hemisphere Cup (Top 8 Ranked Southern Hemisphere Nations).
Year three : Five Nations in Southern Hemisphere (Top 3 Ranked Countries SH and Top 2 Ranked Countries from NH) Northern Hemisphere Shield and a Pacific Cup for other Nations.
Year Four : World Cup in X Nation.

Northern Hemisphere Teams to consist from. England, Wales, France, Scotland, Italy, Russia, Serbia, Ireland, USA, Canada and Jamaica.

Southern Hemisphere Teams to consist from. Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, PNG, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, South Africa.

Thats 19 countries we could potentially have playing competitive international RL every year.

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I'd posted this in another thread before seing this one:

Ideally I'd have for England/GB:

2013 - WC

2014 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2014 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France. (like the Anzac test).
2014 - Autumn - Southern Hemisphere games/tournaments (NH to travel).

2015 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2015 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France.
2015 - Autumn - Northern Hemisphere games/tournaments (SH to travel).

2016 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2016 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France.
2016 - Autumn - GB Lions Tour to SH (other nations playing eachother too).

2017 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2017 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France.
2017 - Autumn - WC.


I think the International calendar needs to be 'fuller', not just limited to the back end of the season. SL moving to 12 teams and scrapping the Exiles fixture should free up the time.

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I've see two articles today regarding countires playing their first domestic leage matches, Greece and Ghana. Greece will be playing in the first full internation vs Hungary and will feature Michael Korkidas & Braith Anasta. Brilliant news.

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2013: RLWC

2014:
Tri Nations between top 3 in WC (so should have a 3rd place play-off). All three auto-qualify for RLWC2017.

European Cup (round robin between top 6 Euro Nations, e.g. France, Ireland, Italy, Lebanon, Scotland, Wales). Winner into RLWC2017 and 5N.
Pacific Cup (round robin between top 5 Pacific Nations, e.g. Cook Islands, Fiji, PNG, Samoa, Tonga). Winner into RLWC2017 and 5N.

European Shield (two groups of four, e.g. G1: Russia, Serbia, Ukraine, Malta. G2: Germany, Norway, Czech Republic, Netherlands). Winner of each group to Euro Qualifiers. Winners play in final for Shield. Runners-up play off for final Euro Qualifier spot.
Asia/America Cup (Canada, USA, Jamaica, Japan). Part one over two years.

2015:
Five Nations (3N + EC winners + PC winners). Already qualified for RLWC 2017.

Euro Qualifiers (seeded groups featuring 5 remaining Euro Cup 2014 sides and 3 Euro Shield qualifiers). Top 2 in each group qualify. 3rd in each group into repechage round.
Pacific Qualifiers (remaining Pacific Cup 2014 sides). Top 3 through to RLWC 2017. Last into repechage round.
Asia/America Cup (second round). Winner through to RLWC 2017. Runner up to repechage round.

2016:
Lions Tour to Aus.
French Tour to Pacific.

Repechage Round (two 3rd place Euro sides, 4th place Pacific side and 2nd place Asia/America side). Straight knock out semis/final, like in 2008.

2017:
RLWC. 14 teams.

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Meaningful and connected tournaments all the way through.

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If we play France mid-season, how about on French Liberation day.

Big public holiday in France

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Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
SL 26 Huddersfield0-66Warrington
CH 26 Toulouse38-18Halifax
NRL 28 Melbourne37-10Cronulla
NRL 28 NQL Cowboys28-16Newcastle
Fri 13th Sep
SL 26 Leigh0-24Hull KR
SL 26 St.Helens40-4Castleford
SL 26 Wigan38-0Leeds
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 26 657 336 321 42
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 26 550 483 67 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 26 434 648 -214 18
Castleford 26 415 701 -286 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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