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Players picked for England on reputation or form? Clearly there will be players that will be picked on reputation such as JJB, Wilkin, Morley, Briscoe and McNamaras love child Sinfield which infuriates me as players such as Matty Smith, Jodie Broughton, Daryl CLark, Craig Huby, Danny Kirmond who deserve international recognition. However some of them don't play for the big clubs so don't deserve the chance even though they play better than some of the out of form players that do play for the big clubs.

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It should be a mix of form and reputation/experience.

Considering no one has any kind of stellar international reputation then you might as well go with form

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You need the best team and tag should be a mix of established players and form players, just throwing all the in form players together won't give you the best team, just because they are playing well for their club goest mean they will automatically show that form when thrown into a new team environment.

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Reading between the lines, another anti Sinfield post.
Hope Sinfield pulls out of the world cup or is not picked, because when England do not win it, he will take the blame regardless of performance.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Reading between the lines, another anti Sinfield post.
Hope Sinfield pulls out of the world cup or is not picked, because when England do not win it, he will take the blame regardless of performance.'"

Doesn't matter now, Brough has rightly chosen to stick with Scotland so if or when England dont win the final it will all be either because Sinfield played or Brough didn't

Perfect all round for the knee jerkers on here.

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No when we lose it will be because MacNamara picked mediocre players with a proven record of failure at international level, whose season long form has been mediocre and ignored players who have shown time and time again they are match winners

From the bulls to England he has shown himself to be very very sub standard as a coach

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Quote: Code13 "No when we lose it will be because MacNamara picked mediocre players with a proven record of failure at international level, whose season long form has been mediocre and ignored players who have shown time and time again they are match winners

From the bulls to England he has shown himself to be very very sub standard as a coach'"


International rugby league is a joke anyway - there is Australia and NZ followed a long way by England with the rest making up the (even then, rather poor) numbers.

I think it's a perfect job for someone like him who can't coach. Easy to explain when we don't win but absolutely no chance of doing worse than 3rd.

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Quote: Code13 "No when we lose it will be because MacNamara picked mediocre players with a proven record of failure at international level, whose season long form has been mediocre and ignored players who have shown time and time again they are match winners

From the bulls to England he has shown himself to be very very sub standard as a coach'"



Who are these 'match winners' he's left out?

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Anyone but JJB, Ablett, Wilkin etc etc

Specifically the likes of Brough, Biers

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Quote: Code13 "Anyone but JJB, Ablett, Wilkin etc etc

Specifically the likes of Brough, Biers'"


JJB & Ablett arn't proven match winners?

The Welsh Lee Briers? icon_confused.gif

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Like the Scottish Danny Brough - opted to play for them because of constantly being overlooked by England

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Quote: Code13 "Anyone but JJB, Ablett, Wilkin etc etc

Specifically the likes of Brough, Biers'"


Right Brough and Briers (who's blatantly always chosen wales so not sure where your argument for him is) are the proven match winners. Lets look at the current half backs in the England squad against your proven match winner.

Brough - 1 CC winners medal in 2005

Widdop - 1 Minor NRL premership, 1 NRL Premiership, 1 WCC winners medal

Chase - Nowt Ill give you that but he has got a MOS award

Myler - 2 CC winners medals, Hubcap winners medal

Rob Burrow - 3 WCC winners medals, 6 SL winners medals, 1 Harry sunderland trophy

Danny Mcguire - 3 WCC winners medals, 6 SL winners medals.

I wont bother with Sinfield as I think you get the drift, your proven match winner isn't really a proven match winner is he, he's a very talented halfback who's having a blinder of a season (so far) but don't over play his hand as a proven match winner. And dont say Mcnamara is shunning match winners when he clearly is doing the opposite.

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Lee briers isn't welsh, he chose to play for Wales as he wasn't offered an England position.

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Quote: JB Down Under "Lee briers isn't welsh, he chose to play for Wales as he wasn't offered an England position.'"



I believe Briers made his Welsh debut in 1998 and then first announced his international retirement in 2008, now Code 13 can have a go at McNamara for anything he likes but I would suggest not picking briers after he'd retired from playing international RL for a different national side isn't one of them, especially as he didnt take the coaches job until 2010.

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I think one or two players with international experience are required, but at the same time think the bulk should be picked on form...

Players such as Tom Lineham, Ben Crooks, Danny Brough, Liam Farrell for example have all been outstanding this season and think they should be given a chance to prove what they can do in front of the likes of people like Morley who has been a great player in his time but way past his best and doesnt deserve to be in the squad

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