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| I notice theres a hell of a lot of mud slinging now going on from players and ex-players about things that the crusaders covered up.
Makes you wonder how much the RFL really knew about the things that went on there. They just had to know about it. Wernt the RFL working in parnership with the Crusaders at some point?
These make for interesting quoteshttps://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/14328781.stmrl
Quote: Mark Bryant "
Missed the 1st part of boots and all damn it!
Hmmmm, If only they knew all that has gone on at this club since 2009, might need a longer show though!
We didn't have to l pay our way to France in 09 but had to leave 6 guys behind cause the club knew they were on illegal visas.
While were on it, the 6 guys who were deported were treated like criminals but the club had full knowledge that they were here illegally.
The then owner promised them hush money and then wiped his hands of them once they were out of the country.
We thought keeping quite about what has gone on was in the best interest of the club,but clearly the owners had no interest in our futures.
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To say the RFL were supposed to be monitoring them it dosnt look like they did a good job. Also considering the RFL are supposed to check a lot of the documents that pass through the clubs did they `miss` certain ones?
The RFL made this mess happen. What a joke.Franchising is working though so thats good. |
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[quote="Rob Wire":qtnftxzx]WIGAN ARE BACK to what exactly ? Oh i see what you mean, back to beating weakened teams. How many key players did we have missing in the cup ?
Just remind us again how many key players did Saints have missing in last years grand final ?
When did you actually last beat a strong Saints or Warringtom team ? Don't include beating us last year at the HJ, we had a lead of around 14pts and were cruising then we lost both Briers and Monaghan, another example of Wigan capitalising on other teams misfortunes.[/quote:qtnftxzx]
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The RFL is a joke IMO.
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Some bold statement's from him especially regarding the visa issue. I would imagine that certain authorities if they were to get wind of this mght be asking him to back up them statements!
It's clear there were problems from day one with Celtic. The RFL took a huge gamble, it backfired big time. Hopefully they won't make the same mistake again but then again I won't be holding my breath!
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| Quote: MikeTommo " The RFL took a huge gamble, it backfired big time. Hopefully they won't make the same mistake again but then again I won't be holding my breath!'"
The same people shouldnt still be in a job anymore, nevermind not making the same mistake twice. |
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The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL.....
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The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL.....
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| Quote: Derwent "The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL.....
If that is true then the RFL really need taking to task for what has gone in. Pushing and pushing them was never going to be the aswer but Big Nige and Dickie had a vision.
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Sean Maguire,ex Saints,gave an excellent interview on Radio Merseyside last night in which he lambasted the RL and their attempts at expansion into Wales.Here,about 16 and a half minutes in.
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Sean Maguire,ex Saints,gave an excellent interview on Radio Merseyside last night in which he lambasted the RL and their attempts at expansion into Wales.Here,about 16 and a half minutes in.
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The Crusaders have had two of the best con men in the business.
Moss and Roberts are crooks. They managed to lose 0.5 million this year, even though the sky money is well in excess of a million. Someone tell me how thats possible.
Samuel is well known for his abilities to hide money. He wrote off all the debts of his business on the crusaders. hence the massive debt they had. Guy is the biggest crook in the world.
I bet the RFL had no idea.
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Many posters on here, the ones with a tiny sense of business acumen, could see what was going to happen.
There were a few posters in the opposite camp claiming things were sweet. Unfortunately, the RFL were of the same mind.
The powers that be at Red Hall must take full responsibility for this fiasco, if the Crusaders hadn’t sent their Dear John letter, they would have been in, and it’s scandalous.
There are people working for the RFL on relatively very good salaries, they’ve also brought in independent ‘experts’, yet, only the Crusaders withdrawal from the process has forced their hand.
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The RFL are not in place to micro-manage member clubs.
If clubs are breaking employment/immigration law, that's their lookout.
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Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "The RFL are not in place to micro-manage member clubs.
If clubs are breaking employment/immigration law, that's their lookout.'"
Utter bollox , if they're paying for it , and they were , then they should have been making sure things were being done properly
The RFL knew all about the VISA issue , they colouded with Samuels to fast track the CC trhrough to SL
I see the much commented on inquiry never happened , did it ? |
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| Quote: GSF "Sean Maguire,ex Saints,gave an excellent interview on Radio Merseyside last night in which he lambasted the RL and their attempts at expansion into Wales.Here,about 16 and a half minutes in.
Here's a piece McGuire wrote on July 24 2008, just after the first round of licences were given out. Prescient I think:
THE choice of the 14 clubs to have three-year licences for Super League is damning evidence of the hubris of the sport's bosses and their inability to either act as competent administrators or far-sighted, strategic planners.
It is the first time that a UK sporting body has determined the membership of its elite competition on the basis of an application for a licence rather than on-field performance.
The 12 existing Super League clubs all got a licence, and from the seven other applicants, Salford and Celtic Crusaders were chosen to enter the competition.
It was a genuine shock, to me and thousands of Widnes fans, when it was announced that Celtic Crusaders had been admitted ahead of the Cheshire club.
Widnes Vikings were, by some distance, the best-placed club outside Super League (and ahead of some clubs playing in the top division) to meet the criteria and join the newly-enlarged Super League.
The Rugby Football League judged the suitability of the 19 applicants against a number of published criteria; these included pretty obvious things like playing strength, junior development, financial stability, marketing and stadium facilities.
I feel deeply sorry for Widnes.
They have a superb stadium, a great heritage, a famous conveyor belt of good young players, a strong management, a committed and wealthy owner and an established fan base which could be grown.
Celtic Crusaders play in a very poor quality stadium, they are only three years old, their team is full of Aussies and Kiwis, their fan base is small and, I suspect, pretty fickle, and their owner was once a committed rugby union man, who switched his allegiance after a row with the WRU.
How that set-up can better Widnes simply baffles me.
And of course it doesn't, but the explanation for why the Bridgend-based club are in and Widnes are out lies in the history of rugby league in England.
Since it was established in 1895 rugby league has been locked into its original territories in Lancashire, Cumbria and Yorkshire.
It is the holy grail of rugby league to expand to have a genuinely national competition and in the pursuit of that ambition a founding club of the northern union, Widnes, will just have to lump it and wait another three years while the untried, untested Celtic Crusaders waltz into Super League after three years playing in the lower levels of the game.
The correct strategy for the future of the great game of rugby league was to grant Widnes a licence, and to compliment the Crusaders on their progress and to encourage them to continue to grow over the next three years and then apply again for the next three-year licences for 2012-14.
I just hope that one of the grand old clubs of the game can survive and prosper in the next three years in the national leagues before assuming its rightful place once again amongst the rugby league elite, which it graced for so long with such distinction.
The decision to take a gamble on a team in Wales - a gamble that has been tried without success several times before - is more inexplicable in the light of the very severe problems in the economy.
But I doubt very much whether the RFL altered their criteria for membership of the Super League to adapt to the changing conditions.
Any business manager will say that in tough times investments should be made in strong areas and you seek to sustain your business where you have established, loyal customers who value your brand.
Since the new owner (with very significant resources) rescued Widnes from administration, the general view was that the final barrier to their membership of the Super League had been removed, and the RFL would have the opportunity to reinforce and rebuild its valuable Widnes franchise under a new and strong management team.
To spurn that in favour of a speculative foray into south Wales is a very risky strategy in good times but in these much more difficult times it could prove to be astonishingly unwise and based on a false premise.
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The man talks sense Frank,something which seems to lacking at the RL.I said myself at the time in 2008 that Crusaders should have been commended on their efforts so far and told to continue with their work and reapply in three years time.It was the obvious thing to do,And if they were not around in three years then tough.But being a Widnes fan meant that I had a vested interest and couldn't possibly make an impartial observation.
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: GSF "The man talks sense Frank,something which seems to lacking at the RL.I said myself at the time in 2008 that Crusaders should have been commended on their efforts so far and told to continue with their work and reapply in three years time.It was the obvious thing to do,And if they were not around in three years then tough.But being a Widnes fan meant that I had a vested interest and couldn't possibly make an impartial observation.'"
Yes we all had it thrown back at us didn't we , but strangly as the song goes
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