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| They should now be acted upon via the video ref, as the ref and his touch judges don't understand this very simple to understand rule.
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| You've done it now.....I can already hear the footsteps of the physics brigade
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| I noted McRae said they could go to the video ref for Hoffman's try because it could be interpreted as a knock on - if that went forwards or backwards off Richards, so why not for a forward pass?
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| ..................they are almost here......
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| The physics argument holds true (because it obviously true), and the 'viewing angle' argument is just as true. However i cant believe the RFL couldnt approach someone like hawkeye to come up with a system. The LBW referral system is much more complex than the forward pass rule.
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| Quote: Mark_W "I noted McRae said they could go to the video ref for Hoffman's try because it could be interpreted as a knock on - if that went forwards or backwards off Richards, so why not for a forward pass?'"
If the ball bounces and is collected by the same player it's far easier to tell what path it took and in which direction it travelled.
As has been demonstrated on sky many, many times - different camera angles can make a legal pass look forward and vice versa. That is why video refs can't judge them reliably and consistently (not that referees and touch judges can either, mind!)
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| Quote: Wheres My Shirt "If the ball bounces and is collected by the same player it's far easier to tell what path it took and in which direction it travelled.
As has been demonstrated on sky many, many times - different camera angles can make a legal pass look forward and vice versa. That is why video refs can't judge them reliably and consistently (not that referees and touch judges can either, mind!)'"
So really, Eddie and Stevo should stop judging them too?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "The physics argument holds true (because it obviously true), and the 'viewing angle' argument is just as true. However i cant believe the RFL couldnt approach someone like hawkeye to come up with a system. The LBW referral system is much more complex than the forward pass rule.'"
Hawkeye is not infallible. Having an oddly shaped ball often being obscured by the 27 men running on a very large pitch would make the placing of many high speed cameras rather impractical.
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| Quote: Wheres My Shirt "Hawkeye is not infallible. Having an oddly shaped ball often being obscured by the 27 men running on a very large pitch would make the placing of many high speed cameras rather impractical.'" Im not proposing Hawkeye, im saying Hawkeye as a system, which whilst not infallible is less fallible than the human eye, can judge a much more complex rule such as LBW then there should be no problem with a system which can judge forward passes.
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| They could easily do forward passes on Sky. They can attach parrallel lines to pitches and this makes camera angles irrelevant.
But my suggestion is still the best. When the ball is thrown forwards it explodes killing the player that receives it. They won't do it again.
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| Quote: Saddened! "They could easily do forward passes on Sky. They can attach parrallel lines to pitches and this makes camera angles irrelevant.
But my suggestion is still the best. When the ball is thrown forwards it explodes killing the player that receives it. They won't do it again.'"
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| I thought the one for the Richards try wasn't as bad as made out. Probably plenty more in every game in SL that will go unpunished.
I only get annoyed when it's clear the forward pass is what made the try, like the gap wouldn't have been created if it was a flat or backwards pass, or the outside man clearer over ran his inside player.
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| Quote: Saddened! "They could easily do forward passes on Sky. They can attach parrallel lines to pitches and this makes camera angles irrelevant.
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That wouldn't help in the slightest. For one the ball doesn't follow a perfect, straight, horizontal path as it is passed. Secondly the cameras would still be unable to distinguish where the ball is relative to these lines, and thirdly (and most importantly), the ball can travel forward relative to the pitch.
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| Quote: Wheres My Shirt "That wouldn't help in the slightest. For one the ball doesn't follow a perfect, straight, horizontal path as it is passed. Secondly the cameras would still be unable to distinguish where the ball is relative to these lines, and thirdly (and most importantly), the ball can travel forward relative to the pitch.'"
Trust me, with the technology Sky have, they can rule on forward passes. Forward passes are basic geometry and it can easily be calculated. They can take the effect of camera angles into account and work it out. They probably haven't looked at it yet, but its definitely possible. It would be very easy for example to have a line perpendicular to the touch lines following the ball carrier, when he passes they can see which side of the line it's on. Easy for someone with Sky's technology to do.
The thing is though that it shouldn't be needed. If we had any competent officials they would see them. Are the touch judges there today honestly saying they didn't see that forward pass for Wigan's first in the second half? It's horrendous, leaving the hands at a 45 degree angle towards the try line. It was similar to the one they scored against Saints bar the fact a Leeds hand got to it. But the officials couldn't see that?
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