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I'm not necessarily a fan of going to 10 but if it's a starting block and as reported the difference in money between SL1 and 2 won't be huge then once there are a handful of super League 2 sides hitting key targets like attendances sponsorship deals then we could look to increase numbers.

25m for super League 1 is a great deal unfortunately it's more than likely it's for the top two leagues with super League 2 getting the championship treatment of no TV games. Surely there has to be a way of getting SL2 Gabe's on an other broadcaster or free to air TV as a minimum ? Hopefully with two french sides there's s better chance of a TV deal from France these deals don't have to be the same figures sky are paying but will certainly help get more money into all of the league's ontop of sky's money.

Ii did read something about the planned talks and reduced numbers in the league but also mentioned was a new cup somp as would be fewer fixtures ? There are still a few meetings planned so hopefully there will be some info on that ?

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Reducing the league to 10 is just an easy solution in trying to get a division which would be higher in quality with a strong league top to bottom.

Its a ridiculous idea which would say that Super League has been a failure and not 'Super' at all.

Most new projects start and then the plan is through time expand the league with new teams but no not Super League. There idea is to cut the top league to 10 teams lol.

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Make SL a 20 team league with no salary cap......but a limit on overseas trained players
Year 1, every side gets an equal share of the TV money
Year 2 onwards, your finishing position decides how much central funding you get......210 shares of the TV money......1st place gets 20, last place gets 1. If the cash is £10,000,000 then last place gets you £50k.......first place gets you £1,000,000

A number of things will happen. Firstly, wealthy owners will be allowed to buy success, but more importantly, medium sized and below clubs will be 100% in charge of their own destiny....more fans = more income from tickets, bars, food, merch and sponsors......SL clubs have become lazy and have their 1.8 million a year allocated and spent by Feb each year....this will ensure they have to fight for survival. Every game will matter, with each step on the ladder (table) worth 50k.......Wigan for example will be able to field an academy squad against Swinton, but over time clubs will rise up. The Likes of Argyle are out there....blokes with a passion for the game and deep pockets, but the closed shop of SL with 3k crowds rattling around Salford isn't going to attract them....but clubs like Bradford, Featherstone etc will have a real incentive to get out into the community and get bodies through the turnstiles.

and if clubs go bust, then so be it. They have no right to exist if they solely rely on hand outs and a wealthy owner.....sod bemoaning 130 years of 'istory.....its a professional sport in a busy marketplace...shape up or ship out!

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Quote: orangeman " The Likes of Argyle are out there....blokes with a passion for the game and deep pockets..........., '"


Who don't last five minutes.....Koukash?

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Quote: Donnyman "Who don't last five minutes.....Koukash?'"

As I say...if clubs fold, they fold! We need to stop this protectionist malarky and realise we're a sport fighting for a share of the pot and if we spend less time worrying about Salford or London's reliance on rich blokes and more about figuring out how to attract fans to games we'd be in better shape.
4k+ at PO road today for the top of the table clash....5.5k for Wigan v Wakey last week.....superleague isn't the be all and end all.....there's clubs outside the fence at the moment that could be bigger if given the chance, so stop paying £1.8 million life support and let the dice fall where they will....

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Quote: puroresu_boy "Reducing the league to 10 is just an easy solution in trying to get a division which would be higher in quality with a strong league top to bottom. Its a ridiculous idea.... Most new projects start and then the plan is through time expand the league with new teams but no not Super League. There idea is to cut the top league to 10 teams '"


Where are these "new teams" going to come from "through time"?

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Quote: orangeman "As I say...if clubs fold, they fold! We need to stop this protectionist malarky .....there's clubs outside the fence at the moment that could be bigger if given the chance, so stop paying £1.8 million life support and let the dice fall where they will....'"


In the 25 years of Superleague there hasn't been much of a "fence" at all most years involved promotion?

The 1.8M isn't life support it's money to pay for the best professional team the SL clubs can find?

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Quote: Donnyman "In the 25 years of Superleague there hasn't been much of a "fence" at all most years involved promotion? '"

There's been a few years where finishing last didn't The 1.8M isn't life support it's money to pay for the best professional team the SL clubs can find?'"

Take 1.8 million from Wakey, Huddersfield, HRK, Leigh, pretty much any of them and they struggle against Fev or Toulouse (or batley, fax, bradford)......in Salfords case, 1.8 million is probably 70% of their income!

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I've just read the LE report saying 10 team SL1&2 are on the cards....which is simply reducing the top tier to try and ring fence the money and improve the product....It only does one of those things IMHO and it's not improving the product!
If they go to a top tier 10 with 2 French sides taking no money, I suspect the game will be dead as a pro sport inside a decade..........

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In trying to justify this new proposed set up, Sky saying the poor quality of some games featured raises [at least] three points:

Wigan v Wire was dire - big clubs don't equal good games.

They don't seem to have the same concerns when chucking stupid money at the utterly boring soccerball game.

10 teams playing each other at least 3 times is boring.

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Quote: dboy "In trying to justify this new proposed set up, Sky saying the poor quality of some games featured raises [at least] three points

The moment you mention association football you miss the point.......soccer is as boring as bat but it's in a different galaxy.......and remember, without SKY, we'd have a semi-pro comp reliant on benevolent rich guys and fans.....we have neither in great numbers at present.

20 team 1st division....38 home and away top 4 play offs.....no cap......let the sport evolve because we've tried more new formats in 25 years and they haven't worked.

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Quote: orangeman " 20 team 1st division....'"


Nah 38 team comp next year all teams play each other once on neutral grounds top ten become SL1, second 10 become SL2 and clubs outside this relegated to the amateur game....

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Quote: dboy "In trying to justify this new proposed set up, Sky saying the poor quality of some games featured raises [at least] three points

1. So cubs will have to agree to play an open game.

2. In the case of soccer it's Soccer that control the broadcasters.

3. You may take this admirable personal view but I would guess a third Saints.v.Wigan will beat a first Featherstone.v. Batley in terms of ratings.

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The problem is not the clubs. The problem is the league structure.
Most SL games are completely pointless in the current structure.

Wigan v Saints on a bank holiday monday. Two big teams with great support, both have "quality" players, and will produce a good game of RL. BUT, the result is meaningless. Both these teams will be in the playoffs and that is the only point in our season where results actually matter.

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Quote: Cokey "Willy, there really isn't enough quality players for a 14, 16 League.'"


With the overseas player reduction, I'd argue that you'd struggle for 10 teams.

Any increase in teams will meet opposition from the poorer teams in the league because it means their cut of the central money will be reduced.

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