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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "I hope the person who had a medical emergency in the Revie North Stand just before kick off is ok. Some people were saying it was a heart attack but I’m not sure if this is correct. If anyone has an update on his condition please post, hopefully he’s ok.'"
Very disturbing scenes. Agree though, really hope he's ok.
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| Whats worrying is that half of this team won't be playing in the 2021 world cup and Bennett has not really brought any young players through. Bennett also talked last week about England having strength in depth but we are nowhere near the quality of Oz and NZ.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Thought it was a nice gesture that O’Loughlin insisted Graham lift the shield given O’Loughlin’s lack of involvement.'" that's only because if he had lifted the shield he would of been deemed fit for work
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| lets hope Myler carries on his good form into next season
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| As most Wigan fans would agree, George Williams has a very good short kicking game, but a very ordinary long kicking game. So naturally I assumed Myler would be doing most of the kicking. But no! It was mostly left to Williams, And of course, when you're up against one of the best kickers in the game in Shaun Johnson, the comparison is bound to be telling. That said, Williams was otherwise pretty good, and he defended well as he always does, often against Johnson, which is a nightmare for any defender. And good as his g0-forward is, McGillvary really doesn't look like an international class defender. And I don't know what he was doing with that sin-binning; it looked like he wanted the yellow! Talk about giving the ref no choice...
Other than being fairly generous towards NZ for a few high shots, Sutton was generally very good, and got the big decisions right. As he usually does. Much rather him than one of our clowns.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Whats worrying is that half of this team won't be playing in the 2021 world cup and Bennett has not really brought any young players through. Bennett also talked last week about England having strength in depth but we are nowhere near the quality of Oz and NZ.'"
You say nowhere near the quality of Oz and NZ but, we have just BEATEN NZ in a 3 test series or have you already forgotten the first 2 tests
The depth that he spoke about was more like a reference to the players that England were missing.
Widdop and Sam Burgess being significant absentees plus, Gale, Hall etc, etc and we still beat the Kiwis 2 -1
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "You say nowhere near the quality of Oz and NZ but, we have just BEATEN NZ in a 3 test series or have you already forgotten the first 2 tests
Exactly.
Utter nonsense to say we've no depth. We've been been hit really hard with injuries (especially in the play maker positions) yet won the series 2-1.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Whats worrying is that half of this team won't be playing in the 2021 world cup and Bennett has not really brought any young players through.
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Bennett doesn't really do that. You want Shaun Wane for that.
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Bennett also talked last week about England having strength in depth but we are nowhere near the quality of Oz and NZ.'"
Rubbish, we have plenty more strength in depth than NZ (and Tonga, etc), but obviously less than Australia.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Mind you, with the pack that we had,, the game was lost before a ball was kicked/passed and our second 40 was as bad as we've put in in a long time.'"
At the end of the first half and the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, Graham, Tom Burgess and Thompson were in the bench which left us with only Hill as a recognised prop on the field and a forward pack of Hill, Hodgson, Whitehead, Bateman, Greenwood, Milner. Individually some good ones in there but collectively that’s not suitable for international RL against a big physical NZ side and we conceded tries either side of half time that took any chance of staying in the game away from us.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Whats worrying is that half of this team won't be playing in the 2021 world cup and Bennett has not really brought any young players through. Bennett also talked last week about England having strength in depth but we are nowhere near the quality of Oz and NZ.'"
Did he not send a full squad of young players to play in PNG.
You play your best players in a test series to try and win that test series, something Wayne Bennett has just achieved. You don’t pick players that you think could maybe be the best in 3 years time.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Maybe we would but none of us will ever know
To be honest the only ones he had left to pick were Percival, Lyne and Johnstone. As for the two centres, it’s not like Connor and Gildart have cemented their shirts and can afford to sit out the limited internationals we have. Percival has had a few goes and personally not sold on him as an international player and realistically Lyne is 5th choice at centre is Watkins was fit so again do you waste the chance to give today’s centre more international game time.
Could’ve put Johnstone in for McGillvary but given the lack of props then can see why he’d want McGillvary strength and carries. Blessing really for Johnstone that he didn’t play in that because he wouldn’t have been able to do much today given the difference between the teams.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Whats worrying is that half of this team won't be playing in the 2021 world cup and Bennett has not really brought any young players through.'"
Why won’t half of this team be playing in 2021? Age wise a lot of young players in.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "At the end of the first half and the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, Graham, Tom Burgess and Thompson were in the bench which left us with only Hill as a recognised prop on the field and a forward pack of Hill, Hodgson, Whitehead, Bateman, Greenwood, Milner. Individually some good ones in there but collectively that’s not suitable for international RL against a big physical NZ side and we conceded tries either side of half time that took any chance of staying in the game away from us.'"
The very fact that Milner is on your list says all we need to know.
He's a hell of a long way behind McShane at Cas and yet, deemed good enough for England ??
We were short on props before the kick off and badly exposed as the game went on.
We were found out on both flanks, especially McGillvery
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| I thought they looked like a team who wanted to win but weren't all that bothered if they lost. Job was done before kick off.
A few questions need to be answered though. I agree that McGilvaray looked very sverage compared to the world cup. He came inside far too much for me.
Not sure the value of Lomax. Hodgson? I fail to see how he gets his place above Roby. Even Clark is better.
Would have preferred to see Ratchford get a run.
Overall I think Bennett now has a better understanding of the English based players, he now needs to blood a few more.
Finally its so good to see a Lions tour is set for next year(?).
Hopefully it will include club games too. We need a return to a 'proper' series.
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| Quote: silver2 "One thing I've learnt from this series is to never criticise an English referee again. What they were allowed to get away with at the PTB was criminal.'"
Yep. That game demonstrated once again that Sutton is simply not fit to officiate at this level. Inconsistent with his decisions and missed (or ignored) a number of high shots and forward passes. The time allowed at the PTB was a shambles and some of the 'surrenders' he called (thus awarding the defenders several more seconds) were anything but.
And the first no-try should have been given. When the defender moves towards the dummy runner and makes contact that isn't obstruction; it's a bad decision by the defender. Very poor from Bentham. If that had been given we would have seen a different game.
But fair play to NZ, they showed their running flair at last. They hit form while we were off the pace. Not that it matters, the record books will show a 2-1 win for England.
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