But they also have huge overheads.

Who opens the stadium sunday? Who pays the catering staff? the stewards? The groundstaff?

Invite Fax or Fev

Really? Might as well give Hudds 2 points. Why would fax or Fev want to come up jut to get battered and be sent down. They might as well stay where they are and build or the "revoultionaty new chapter in RL history"

How would the RFL decide who comes up? Surely it would be the current champions Sheffield.

Then if you just relegate the bulls as some way, what about the 25 squad players who no longer have a wage? The junior deopment potentially lost to the game?

I hope someone buys us otherwise it's curtains.

So what your saying is, if they got it cheap from the administrators, and given all they could to make sure they kept the bright lights (and financial income) of super league then it was a deal, otherwise they weren't interested - if I could have the guaranteed payments like those mentioned for superleague clubs I'd be interested too. The reality is club ownership is nothing but an expensive hobby, and Moore hasn't seemed willing to pay (and in fact is the second time they've walked out)

We've done the reduced tv money thing to death, it was agreed to by bulls (whatever iteration it was) and mark Moore was aware of it coming into the club. Nothing has been sprung on him today, like he claims.

Yes we can argue the semantics of the phrase "the bulls went bust" and how it wasn't the new owners etc but it's the same with everyone in every sport - pick up the club cheap, you have to tidy up the previous owners mess. And that includes sanctions from the governing body. - whoever bought rangers for a pound, got a great deal, the flip side, they have to start in division 3 - it's the way it works. And mark Moore knew this.

Nobody but mark Moore forced him out of the club. I can kick and scream the rfl should make it so teams located within st.helens local area gets a 20 lead at the start of every match - and I won't go to a game or spend a penny in rugby league until otherwise - does that mean the rfl should give into my demands? Else the sport is "unattractive" to me

This thread could now last for another ninety pages & I was hoping it would be done & dusted by now. But then what do you expect with the quality of employees at Red Hall.

So will a White Night ride in at the eleventh hour, maybe the RFL will steer the ship or perhaps everything goes pop & Bradford are removed from the league, their results expunged & the Magic Weekend sacked off.

Lions led by Donkeys.

Ha ha ha ha!! You massive bellend.

Well done to the RFL for enforcing the correct punishment.

All to easy for these jokers masquerading as owners to try and pass the buck onto the RFL.

They go down, start again, come back stronger. Man up Smokey you pathetic individual.

strangely not many people seem to be willing to get even as far as Moore and co did.


he explains exactly what was sprung and how in the statement.


yep, a great deal, thats why Rangers have had to spend the last few months on the brink of another administration and recently needed to borrow another £1.5m from a director just to keep going.

Moore didnt pick up the club on the cheap because it was in Admin, he picked it up on the cheap because there wasnt that much of a business to buy. The fact the administrator hasnt been flooded with offers kind of disproves your point that this is a great deal.
if the sport is unattractive to you because of that then fine, thats a very personal standpoint. The fact the Bulls are unttractive to anyone isnt a personal standpoint, the fact they were attractive to someone but the RFL;s actions have changed that, is down to the RFL. If the bulls and the wider game come out of this better because of what the RFL have done then the RFL should be praised for their actions.

If however the we are left with a mess of a season this year, the liquidation of the bulls and the loss of Pro RL at one of our strongest areas, and the Bulls and wider game arent in a better position then the RFL take responsibility for that too.

Here...I think you dropped this.

There is no punishment, as there is no-one to take it.

Can't see anyone else being interested in stepping up onto this naughty step on the terms announced and if nobody else does, end of story.

Would be good if with one team missing, Sky demanded a slice of their money back from the RFL/SLE, and all the clubs who stole the Bulls' money had to cough it back up.

Indeed it would be very interesting to see exactly what the contract between the RFL/SuperLeague/Sky actually says about the delivery of the product.

If the Bulls disappear then is the league committed to delivering a specific number of games to Sky?

i hope this is another of those posts where you have gotten so would up you need to tweet about me

#obsessed

Do you not see Bradford are unattractive because there's not much of a business, or business plan, or anything - NOT because of what the rfl have done, but due to poor management over a sustained period of time?

These two statements answer themselves, there's nothing more to it. I'm sure as a Bradford fan looking for somewhere to point the finger, the rfl are an easy target (and the comments made make it even easier) - but had proper business plans, and business acumen been out in place 3 iterations ago, we wouldn't be where we are now - and that's not the rfls fault?

So, the points sanction is "up to 6 points", dependent on the circumstances of the Insolvency event and the amount of money creditors are paid....

Now that the administrator is looking for a buyer again, how do the RFL know how much a buyer would pay the creditors?

Must admit - I'm loving your dummy spitting.

According to reports I've read the rfl have "taken into consideration past events from the bulls" - basically because they've done it twice in as many years, it's 6 points regardless.

The best thing any new people for Bradford can do is simply wipe the slate clean and pretend it never happened.

3 iterations ago are irrelevant, nobody can undo what has been done. It’s a pointless argument. Yes the RFL aren’t responsible for Peter Hoods failings, yes the RFL aren’t responsible for Omar Kahns, nobody at all is blaming them for that. But Omar Kahns failings aren’t why the prospective owners have ceased being interested, Peter Hoods failings aren’t why the prospective owners have ceased their interest. The prospective owners have explained clearly and precisely why they ceased their interest.

Now you can argue the RFL were right to do what they have done, you can argue that they needed to hand down a punishment (I wouldn’t agree) however you can’t argue that this situation isn’t of the RFL’s making. They are responsible for it, they have made their decision and they cannot pass the buck for the results of that decision to anyone else.

Yep, the language and insults in your post really do give the impression of that

But there was a business plan, the RFL refused to look at it if Moore, Calvert & Watt are to be believed.

Calvert runs a very successful debt management company, and over the last 3 months has significantly cut costs inherited from OK & whitcut. Wage bill is down, revenue is up and , working with the rfl they had a plan to pay significant money to the creditors.

The RFL seem to have ignored all that, gone back on the assurances that they had given, and made the Bulls toxic to a buyer.

The administrator isn't going to find a buyer that gives money to the creditors now. So why has the RFL decided that creditors shouldn't be paid?? And how is the administrator going to be able to pay staff & players without huge RFL financial support? What endgame are the RFL pursuing?

That aside, I do feel sorry for genuine RL fans. This isn't a good day for those who care about the game.

I most definitely can argue this is not the rfls making. If we really want to take this all the way back to the start of this - the rfl didn't make you sign Harris!

But you are right, you can't undo what has been done.

So you agree there's an argument for the rfl to rightly punish Bradford (whether you or I or anyone else agrees) - but it's the rfls fault that an investor walks away because Bradford has been punished (and that's the rfls fault) ? Seems ... Contradictory.

awww dont try and row back now your true colours have shown, at least have the courage of it.

Very dissapointed.