Not a campaign orchestrated by the club?

My ar$e it isnt.

I wonder how fax would have done if they P+R was in place and had come up this season?

The Championships should get CM Punk to do their arguing.

He is the Voice of the Voiceless.

You forgot about this

"In August 2006 Halifax RLFC was on the verge of going bust. The club announced that it needed to raise £90,000 otherwise it would go into liquidation. Rugby league fans nationwide rallied behind 'Fax', and through visits to the ground, during home fixtures, and other fund-raising events, were able to raise £55,000. Former Chairman Howard Posner then came forward and announced that he would loan the club the remaining £35,000 in order to keep Halifax RLFC alive. This ensured that Halifax RLFC would be playing in National League One during 2007."

I went to the 5,000 fans to save fax only a couple of thousand did as the public of hailfax were too busy drinking in the towns bars.

Probably about as well as the Crusaders , but then again some on here seem to keep forgetting that somebody always has to finish bottom

If the gap between SL and the championship was made smaller then it could happen but it has been the RFLs intention over the years to let the gap increase so it has made it nearly impossible. SL can sustain it's self at the moment without the expansion clubs. It's the championships that need all the help. When the Championships have gone to the wall that will be the ultimate mistake that these tools will have made and SLs demise will rapidly follow.

That's not been the RFLs intention at all

It's been the failing of Championship clubs that they didn't keep up, for the most part.

Exactly.
What a load of tosh from TV Boy. Id make the gap even bigger if clubs cant afford it.

Well obviously not but if Crusaders hadn't have got in and Halifax, widnes or Leigh got the nod (for example) who's to say they would not have failed just as spectactuarly?

Rugby League=The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Super League clubs are like French Aristocrats before the Revolution.
The same result would be justice...

It isn't. If you want to put your ar$e out there then that's your business. Do you understand the concept of INDEPENDENT supporters trust?

Yes i do.

Do you understand the concept of deniability?

Funny how the opinions of the supporters club and the actual club are identical isn't it.

And if it isn't why hasn't the Halifax club come out and distanced themselves from these fskwitted morons?

The club may even agree with them but they haven't [iorchestrated[/i the campaign. That's my point and one which you are failing to understand. It's also a shame that you view passionate fans as fskwitted morons.

You've got absolutely no evidence of what you're saying, and why would the club address the opinions of an independent body? People are mostly reasonable enough to know they are not one and the same!

You are not making any sense whatsoever!

Be careful rich, he will claim "he was trolling" in a minute. Always raises a laugh.

That's the sad thing - he isn't even doing that.

Totally clueless that one

Complete and utter rubbish.

How does a club with an average customer base of between 1-2000 'keep up', as you put it, with clubs that have at least double the number of customers AND a gift in excess of £1million every year?

Similarly, I'd like to know how said clubs are supposed to get to the level of Leeds, Hull & Wigan without the £1million gift and the increased crowds you get in SL?

Fsking idiots indeed...

I suggest you ask Catalans Dragons, Castleford Tiger, Hull KR and Widnes Vikings. They seem to have managed to bring themselves from a lower level into SL and survive (OK Widnes haven't started yet but I'm sure they will be OK this time)

That's not what I asked. That's not what Smokey said should be required for a CC club to get a license.

I agree with you by the way.

Back to the OP, my own personal opinion as a board member of another Supporters Trust, I think the Halifax campaign is embarassing and brings the role of Trusts into disrepute. I had sympathy for Halifax's situation but cannot support a campaign with such a negative and narrow minded title. It's not even accurate - it suggest the RFL don't support P&R themselves, when they clearly do as it exists in many levels of the game other than SL.

This is my point, they are blithering idiots whose sole achievement will be to damage the wider game as a whole and the Halifax club in particular with this utterly stupid, ill conceived, badly worded, badly delivered "campaign".

Maybe they'd be better off trying to get people from Halifax to actually go to the games, which will be the surest way of getting Fax into Super League.

No Im not trolling, but I am fed up of tin pot clubs thinking they have a divine right to be in the top flight.

Great examples...

Catalan - yes a success

Cas - been in SL for all but 2 years of its existence so not quite equivalent to other CC clubs. But, they have no rich backer and work on a shoestring. If they hadn't gone up in 2007 they would have gone bust just as Widnes did but would've been unlikey to undergo the same Lazarus like recovery. IIRC they were renegotiating their loan with the bank not long after.

Hull KR - fortunate to have a sugar daddy otherwise....

Widnes, let's see eh?

While the original concept is e good one , ie it is time for some displeasure at the recent decisions of the RFL to be highlighted , the original wording is wrong , however I think a more interesting slogan is now in the offering , one that many clubs will support , well those outside SL anyway



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Pretty much sums up how we feel really

I can make the flag now

“Hate RFL, Love P&R”

Idiots.

Look, sorry Halifax supporters, but your club didn't get a franchise this time around. We'd have loved to see you in Super League, but sadly, there cannot be places for everyone.

The franchise model is in place for the very reasons you cite as being reasons FOR P&R - finances. How can a club possibly get things right on or off the field with no stability? This is not association football, with Arab millionairs and oil tycoons willing to put billions in - this is Rugby League, and we have to be responsible, otherwise ALL clubs bar the very fittest will potentially face ruin in their strive to compete.

And what of the relegated clubs? We all know VERY well that if you get relegated, your club suffers a massive drop in income, which if not managed ruthlessly - ie get rid of staff, playing and otherwise - will KILL YOUR CLUB.

As an aside, quoting a Kevin Sinfield comment from 2005 does not vindicate your story. It was six years ago - perhaps you ought to ask him what his up to date views are, now that the franchise model has been tried and tested, and now that he's a bit older and wiser. He may well have changed his mind now he's seen the model for himself.

I would urge the Halifax Supporters responsible for this to reconsider. Whether they believe P&R is the way forward is irrelevant. The fact is this is coming across as being very bitter, and an attack on the very organisation that allows them to compete as a professional Rugby League club, not to mention alienating to a lot of the fans who have accepted they have to grin and bear the situation.