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| Quote: Donnyman "Where have you been since 2007 when France got thumped by bigger and bigger scores every year and they eventually abandoned the GB/France tests?
You can keep up trying to say I'm bias or just spinning things, but France failed long ago.....
The real "obvious question" is how does the English game improve if you keep replacing English SL clubs with French ones.
You and all the others who think France is an answer to the games ill's consistently ignore the reality that if you put Toulouse in Superleague you have to then removes an English club like say Wakefield.
It was always the same with TWP, and Ottawa etc.
The blinkered view was and remains the more overseas clubs you put in SL the more the game may thrive internationally and spread.
Completely ignoring the reality this would kill the game as the SKY deal would be lost. Think about it for once'"
You didn't read the post (or chose to ignore it).
There should be NO replacing English clubs with French clubs in SL.
However, having Toulouse and London in the top flight, in ADDITION to the current 12 clubs would be sensible from a RL point of view.
As for the Sky deal, i'm not privy to their ideas.
We have to find a way to encourage more interest and investment, end of.
Will this happen by retracting to the M62 corridor or by trying to appeal to a wider public, including those in South West France, where there is already some interest in the sport, the answer seems obvious.
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| I wasn’t aware that Langi, Whare, Davies, Maloney, Drinkwater, Dudson, McIllorum, Whitely, McMeeken, the Tomkins brothers and Kasiano all became French.
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| Quote: Willzay "I wasn’t aware that Langi, Whare, Davies, Maloney, Drinkwater, Dudson, McIllorum, Whitely, McMeeken, the Tomkins brothers and Kasiano all became French.'"
Oui, oui, just as soon as they pull on the Catalan shirt.
Nobody seems to mind where players originate in the round ball game.
Plus, how many Cas players play for Cas or Warrington players play for Wire ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
having Toulouse and London in the top flight, in ADDITION to the current 12 clubs would be sensible from a RL point of view.
We have to find a way to encourage more interest and investment, end of.
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After 25 years most in Superleague London now attract no investment at all from London
Their Northerner chairman/owner is the only investor.
One of the biggest and richest capitols in Europe and no interest or investment END OF
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| Quote: Donnyman "After 25 years most in Superleague London now attract no investment at all from London
Their Northerner chairman/owner is the only investor.
One of the biggest and richest capitols in Europe and no interest or investment END OF'"
you get on about me falling for wind ups, if there was going to be any investment it would of happened by now
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| Wouldn’t invite another French team in without putting something in place ensuring the talent pool gets a kick up the backside. French players of quality in their team is getting smaller and sharing the talent pool with Toulouse could shrink this further. As mentioned before their needs to be a quota on French players over here and likewise if french teams sign players from uk.
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| Quote: supercat "Wouldn’t invite another French team in without putting something in place ensuring the talent pool gets a kick up the backside. French players of quality in their team is getting smaller and sharing the talent pool with Toulouse could shrink this further. As mentioned before their needs to be a quota on French players over here and likewise if french teams sign players from uk.'"
If we are going to have French SL clubs they need to provide French SL quality players and French TV money.
Same applied to Canadian clubs with Perez acknowledging from the start that TWP would deliver this, and when they didn't provide a single player nor a single TV dollar he said it would "take time" to kick the can down the road. Then they collapsed....
I'm all for supporting the French 100% especially providing top French players with Careers in Superleague like Theo Fages trouble is after 15 years they couldn't even raise a seven a side team of French superleague players who were first choice for their clubs....
But of course this is all apparently "expansion" despite the fact that in 2020 we had only 10 English Superleague clubs
Back in 1999 we had 14 English SL clubs........
This last three seasons has been full of utter garbage as regards "expansion"
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| Quote: Donnyman "If we are going to have French SL clubs they need to provide French SL quality players and French TV money.
Same applied to Canadian clubs with Perez acknowledging from the start that TWP would deliver this, and when they didn't provide a single player nor a single TV dollar he said it would "take time" to kick the can down the road. Then they collapsed....
I'm all for supporting the French 100% especially providing top French players with Careers in Superleague like Theo Fages trouble is after 15 years they couldn't even raise a seven a side team of French superleague players who were first choice for their clubs....
But of course this is all apparently "expansion" despite the fact that in 2020 we had only 10 English Superleague clubs
Back in 1999 we had 14 English SL clubs........
This last three seasons has been full of utter garbage as regards "expansion"'"
Just a small correction Donny, there were only 12 clubs in SL in 1996 (not 14) and on the basis that Paris were inaugural members, in a move to "expand" the game, really, we're looking at 11 English clubs for the vast majority of the SL era, plus 1 French club and then the Toronto debacle, which for 1 season only (and a screwed up one at that) it dropped to 10.
Currently though, we are back to 11, which has been the case for most of the SL era.
It's almost as though you are trying to deliberately skew the numbers ?
Once again, for the record, there should need to be a minimum number of French qualifying players in the Catalan (and Toulouse) sides, assuming that this can be properly agreed.
There are of course issues if English clubs sign French players and preventing them from doing so would be some kind of "restriction of trade" so, it's far from straight forward.
We still come back to money (or the lack of it) and right now, RL is going down the pan, lower participation, lower investment, falling crowds (hardly surprising for the last 2 seasons) and mickey poor administration for the sport,- this weekends "international" being a prime example.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Oui, oui, just as soon as they pull on the Catalan shirt.
Well it’s not really a French Revolution if the big hitters behind said revolution aren’t French.
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| Quote: Willzay "Well it’s not really a French Revolution if the big hitters behind said revolution aren’t French.
Cant argue with that Willzay, the clubs are French though.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
Just a small correction Donny, there were only 12 clubs in SL in 1996 (not 14) and on the basis that Paris were inaugural members, in a move to "expand" the game, really, we're looking at 11 English clubs for the vast majority of the SL era, plus 1 French club
It's almost as though you are trying to deliberately skew the numbers ?
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Leave it out, it's not about me and your "correction" is wrong, read the post - I was talking about 1999 "Back in 1999 we had 14 English SL clubs"
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
Once again, for the record, there should need to be a minimum number of French qualifying players in the Catalan (and Toulouse) sides, assuming that this can be properly agreed.
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It's already done, last night top of the table Les Catalans put Morgue, Yaha, Laguerre, Da Costa, Bousquet, Julian, Goudemond Belmas and Baitieri in the side and that's NINE Frenchmen. I was looking to see if Israel Folau was anywhere to be seen but clearly he was not there.
There's been a massive switch by les Catalans to become a real French team playing the best French players and it's blooming marvelous.
You can look out for some sort of public announcement Gausch has been given the hard word that he won't be in Superleague 2022 unless he does the job he was allowed in to do which is be a conduit for quality French players.
Toulouse are stuffed for Superleague next year. They aren't going to be promoted on winning the Championship on "percentages" with loads of games not been played, and certainly aren't going to be promoted using English and Aussie players......
And they aren't, as a Faux "French club" going to get the nod over Leigh staying in Superleague...........
Sorry I haven't got an article from Rugby Leaguer journo's to confirm this, but I do have a pair of eyes............
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| Quote: Donnyman "Leave it out, it's not about me and your "correction" is wrong, read the post - I was talking about 1999 "Back in 1999 we had 14 English SL clubs"'"
My apologies, that must have been the season pre the Hudd-Sheff merger and the Gateshead - Hull merger.
Neither of which have anything to do with this thread.
Good win for Catalan last night though ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 " Good win for Catalan last night though ?'"
It would not have been if their side had been all Aussie/English with Israel Folau poncing about.
It had nine Frenchmen and as such was a major major Triumph way way beyond the "2 points"
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