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No it's not it's various bits of alleged news you've chosen to concentrate on - are you by any chance a "Remain" expert.

You talk even more utter about politics than you do about RL. Experts re the most discredited people on earth after Weathermen and VT expert pundits - grow up and get real and use your own mind rather than borrowing others.

Except they were - that's another actual fact.

The arrogance of the remain people is staggering it really is and you are the epitome - oh and I voted remain.

Accept it, we lost, we will do just fine and the world has not ended.

The biggest loser is the EU, lost it's 2nd biggest net contributor, it's 2nd biggest economy and it's ply credible Millitary and Diplomatic power (Washington Post words not mine, expert enough for you.

Now if you don't like the outcome of a democratic vote then jog on and live in the EU and let us know how it goes.

That's not a "point of view". It wasn't my opinion. It was simply reporting the findings of voter analysis. You are personally attacking me for posting a fact which you simply dislike.

My demographic.

Born and raised in a Labour area.
Last party I voted for Green Party
Age late 30's
Working... double the national average wage.
A-Level educated

Voted... Leave

Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers.

Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail.

The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.

You can point to as many things as you like, but I’m afraid you’re wasting your time trying to debate with the leave camp.

Even if the country goes into recession again they’ll say it’s worth it – “We’ve got our England back”

I just hope if that scenario happens, the Chancellor looks at the oldies first when finding savings, free travel, T.V. licences & winter fuel payments. They’ve never had it so good & yet they're complicit in jeopardising the future prospects of the country, yet a shed-load of them will be dead in a couple of years.

The most bizarre thing for me in this sorry episode is, giving the country the referendum in the first place.

Quote: vastman "Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers. Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail. The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.'" The sneering left-wing liberal elite being, in this instance, Michael Ashcroft, ex-Conservative Party Chairman and leading funder of the Leave campaign lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/

Quote: vastman "Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers. Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail. The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.'" The sneering left-wing liberal elite being, in this instance, Michael Ashcroft, ex-Conservative Party Chairman and leading funder of the Leave campaign lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/

No degree, sneer sneer sneer.

They will never get what it's about because they are so arrogant they honestly believe they know better than the plebs - which is basically anyone who doesn't agree with them.

As a remained (but ply just I have to say) I'm frankly embarrassed by these petulant outburst and blatant over exaggerations peddled as truth.

I'm a big enough man to go with the majority.

It is odd. I mean, I posted on here that I was concerned that the Referendum campaign had legitimised a poisonous discourse and an aggressive hostility to those who didn't sign up to Leave's argument. The response from half a dozen people has been, to paraphrase "No we're not f@cking aggressive, you sneery , now suck it up and agree with us or leave the country, thick fake intellectual lefty liberalista c@nt".

I feel like, somewhere, irony has died on its .

It's not anyone's view or opinion Vasty - it's the actual demographics of the vote; the elderly and the uneducated have voted to Leave in a significant majority - perhaps illustrated by a spike in Google searches the day *after* the referendum, for "What is the EU?"

Interestingly, there is now talk of buyers remorse, with lots of people who voted Leave suggesting that they now regret their decision; couple that with instant u-turns on the 350 million quid for the NHS and stopping the free movement of people by the Leave leaders, and you start to wonder if there aren't further developments to come before this is all over.

Ok I wrote this on my Facebook page after a few sneering comments and I stand by it


I guess my biggest fear is i'm a cynic, i don't trust politicians, the examples of deceit are too wide spread and far too common for my liking so i like the fact they have to be at least seen to be representing us and the fear of them being removed is something i need to feel i have.

I'm not a bat crazy fully commited little englander BREXITer, i'd prefer to be in Europe but not in this system, i think this system is corrupt or at least extremely easy to corrupt. The examples of wastage, and unnecessary bureacracy are something that grinds with me.

We are the 5th biggest players in the world, the 2nd biggest player in the union and ideally i would prefer to be IN, in a complete root and branch reforming of the the whole system.

But my options were IN or OUT, and based on such simplicity i can only see being out as a safer option.
I'm not interested if my house value goes down, my wages go down, i have less to go on holiday with, finance is a small sacrifice, a far smaller sacrifice than those who have lost their lives, from the English Civil war, to the Peterloo Massacre to the Pankhurst Womans Sufferagette movement and all those that fought wars to retain that right for democracy.

The fact that Tony Benn, a left winger, one that was held up by so many Che Guevara t-shirt wearers saw the European system for what it was, a deeply principled man no doubt, wanted no part of this, of this horribly undemocratic system and it speaks volumes to me.

I am not a right winger, i am not a little Englander and believe it or not i love many many benefits and laws the EU has brought, i see the benefits and the positives daily.
But

To have unelected people, unaccountable people, arrogant people have so much power rankles with me.
Right now the political discourse is palatable but...(a huge but) what if the winds of change start to circle?
Austria almost voted for a rightwing government, the first since WW2, that is dangerous, and if you give the masses no voice or no pathways to change you run the risk of revolt, no, in fact you make revolt inevitable.

Brexit was popular because of the arrogance of people who think they don't need a mandate from the people, missing the entire point of democracy.

I'm sorry that I'm in the same camp as racists and xenophobia, there is nothing i can about that but let me tell you i have nothing in common with those people other than an X In a box.

Money isn't everything for me, now people, let's rally together and work this out as one, we are a nation of great minds and innovators, let's continue to be so, and accept this decision with dignity.

Now for our next fight.. proportional representation.

Long live democracy

1. He's not an expert. He's the man who owns a polling company, campaigned for Leave and is extremely right-wing. Most reports on voter demographics are from his survey of 12,000 voters after the event. That's a huge sample promising reasonable accuracy. His agenda was Leave, so why you think he'd have an interest in falsely misrepresenting the data, I have no idea.

2. I've never said most out voters are rabid UKIP members.

3. I have no choice but to accept it, because I'm tied in the back of the truck as the Leave campaign drives it off the cliff, along with every other Remain voter. It's an unfortunate position to be in, but I wasn't aware that this meant that none of us were allowed to discuss it, argue about it, or point out facts? When was this decided ? Is that what our democracy now is, post-referendum - not being able to discuss things without being shouted down by angry men who dislike different viewpoints? Being told to agree, shut up or get out? This is what we have now, is it?

Keep throwing those ad hom attacks, by the way.