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Quote: wrencat1873 "I wonder if the people coming up with the all new super league format have any connection whatsoever to the clowns that brought us the 3 x 8 debacle.
You know, the "every minute matters nonsense
I agree with you that cutting the league hasn't driven up standards, the quality of play is the worst I can remember right now.

I also think there's a risk of at least one club being lured to Union eventually. Union still hasn't broken the North despite its best efforts such as sending Johnny Wilkinson to Newcastle. Grabbing St Helens, a proper Leeds or Wigan would be a big prize and would add to the Premiership which is already looking to expand.

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Here’s a radical plan to improve the game. Stop fkn about with league set-ups and blindly following what the NRL do with constant rule changes.

I don’t know about getting more people interested in the game because at the moment they’re far more likely to lose the interest of those they already have. d040.gif

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Not sure how reducing the number to f teams makes the sport more appealing just repeat fixtures all the time. Boring. Happened in the championship a while ago and was terrible as teams repeat playing each other they are so familiar with each other they come up with tactics to negate best players and you just end up with 80 minute arm wrestles. If anything extend number bring more fans and players into the mix.

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Quote: Donnyman "
Lenegan & Wigan
McManus & Saints
Pearson and Hull
HKR & their new chairman and Hudgell
Moran and Warrington
Caddick and Leeds
Davey and Huddersfield

These are largely the richest English club owners and biggest clubs and I would guess in an improved stadium Carter and Wakefield will make the eight.

The new SKY deal is £26 Million a year so that could be largely shared amongst the eight giving them £3,000,000 a season........

That's more than they get now and that's a good plan as it's these clubs and rich chairmen that hold the game together....the last deal was massive but the last five years saw £tens of Millions thrown away on clubs going nowhere, who didn't provide anything much to SKY.

This new deal isn't that bad as long as we stop allowing championship clubs to waste tens of £Millions........it won't "hasten the retreat" at all, it can strengthen the top of the game....

It's not about what you get it's about how you spend it......'"


How on this earth do you deduce that Championshipnclubs wasted tens of millions?
The ' elite ' clubs have benefited for years from the money from the broadcast deal and the sport is where it is.
The ' elite ' clubs have been allowed and assisted to get richer.
It isn't, and wasn't, the fault of non - elite clubs that the great and good cannot get decent attendances for their own play- off games or the ' every minute matters ' games against st Championship clubs.
The wasted money on Elstone and Private Equity proved how wonderful it is when the elite owners are left to their own devices.
Even now only the elite are allowed reserve sides and academies.
The rich get richer and the rest can die.
From the vortex to the abyss.Well done the elite.
Be very grateful the much maligned RFL,have,in the past,got the elite owners some money to waste.So you can now blame the impoverished,the unlucky,ne'er-do-wells,for the incompetence and ineptitude of the elite clubs,and their owners who failed during the best of times.Yet you still believe they'll do the right things during the worst of times.
The jewels in the crown?
You probably believed the summer era,playing on nice pitches,in a Super League, would improve our players and we would beat the Aussies...
Yet here are your elite clubs,with their elite owners,still requiring overseas players and overseas head coaches.
Keep following the yellow brick Road...

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Quote: UllFC "

Wakefield are one of the clubs dragging the league down, ground is in the same poor state it was when it was told 'last chance' during the licensing era, crowds are solid but never spectacular (in part due to the poor ground) they haven't made a final in how long now? We are basically handing out a £1m of TV money for you to tread water. Its a City with no major Football team and potential is there, but how many decades do we have to wait for progress to be made?

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Wakefield are doing better than Featherstone, and before Daryl Powell came along Cas were no great shakes and were relegated once and escaped relegation on points difference another time. Wheldon road is in a poor state and there's no money for improvements, meanwhile Carter is improving Belle Vue.. But the point here is for balance there has to be a "Calder" club in Superleague and without Powell's undoubted magic, Castleford are no better a bet than Wakey....

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Quote: Donnyman "Wakefield are doing better than Featherstone, and before Daryl Powell came along Cas were no great shakes and were relegated once and escaped relegation on points difference another time. Wheldon road is in a poor state and there's no money for improvements, meanwhile Carter is improving Belle Vue.. But the point here is for balance there has to be a "Calder" club in Superleague and without Powell's undoubted magic, Castleford are no better a bet than Wakey....'"


Wakey do well banking the funding and surviving. That’s what’s needs to change.

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Quote: UllFC " I also think there's a risk of at least one club being lured to Union eventually. Union still hasn't broken the North despite its best efforts such as sending Johnny Wilkinson to Newcastle. Grabbing a proper Leeds would be a big prize and would add to the Premiership which is already looking to expand.'"


Not your best post mate, Paul Caddick the massively rich builder went to Headingley to turn his Union club into a pro RU outfit. It was a complete disaster.

The M62 is a wasteland for professional Rugby Union, just as the south, the midlands, Scotland Ireland and Wales (and Canada) are wastelands for Rugby league.

This is why we must continue to be an "M62" game.....

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Quote: atomic "Wakey do well banking the funding and surviving. That’s what’s needs to change.'"


I know mate and you'd have a massive point arguing that Leigh in their modern ground with their highly committed wealthy owner are a better bet than Wakefield, and probably a second Hull club, and maybe even Huddersfield icon_biggrin.gif .

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Quote: atomic "Wakey do well banking the funding and surviving. That’s what’s needs to change.'"


They offer absolutely nothing to rugby league when looking at the bigger picture.

But neither do Salford, Leigh and hull kr so it’s unfair to single out Wakefield

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Quote: Poky "They offer absolutely nothing to rugby league when looking at the bigger picture.

But neither do Salford, Leigh and hull kr so it’s unfair to single out Wakefield'"


Admins why do you keep letting this knob on here?

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Quote: Poky "They offer absolutely nothing to rugby league when looking at the bigger picture.

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You could argue that I guess, fans location etc. I'm not saying I agree, but there's an argument that can be made.

But the one thing that trumps everything - they've earnt it on the field (apart from leigh technically) So perhaps they offer the most important thing of all?

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Quote: orangeman "are you bankrolling this?
maybe play some games in toronto?
Is perez involved?

The Game hasn't enough money or players for a 10 team league....."leveling" the playing field like this will simply drag the standard down. Magic pays a lot of wages at the RFL.....so are you recommending a raft of redundancies? Sunday 3pm? Fine if you're hopping on a bus to the away game in the next borough, but a b'stard if you're away in France........4 overseas players per team......yeah, because we're brimming with talent......and no matter the play off format, Saints v Wigan/Leeds/Wire....and maybe now Catalan.....other need not apply'"


Magic pays zero wages at the RFL, its a Super League property.

It also generates money for the clubs when they sell tickets to their own fans.

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Quote: Donnyman "The new SKY deal is £26 Million a year so that could be largely shared amongst the eight giving them £3,000,000 a season'"


It's more likely to be half of that, the Sky money pays for a lot more than just to Super League clubs central distribution.

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Quote: FlexWheeler " You could argue that I guess '"


He's not arguing anything. anyone who invests, organises, watches, plays, (etc etc) Rugby League adds something to the game.

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Quote: Airlie Street "It's more likely to be half of that, the Sky money pays for a lot more than just to Super League clubs central distribution.'"


The last deal was set out by Martyn Sadler in terms of where every £Pound was to go. Very large sums indeed didn't go to Superleague clubs so this current deal certainly [i"pays for a lot more than Superleague". [/i

But all the indications are that Superleague take the view SKY money is for clubs who fulfill the SKY contract, and it seems SKY also take that view, and it is not for clubs who do not fulfill the contract. The last deal was negotiated and distributed by the RFL.

[i"This deal has been negotiated by Superleague and again the indications are that they will take the "Lions share"........."The new deal is thought to be worth around UK£25 million a year, compared to UK£40 million a year at present. After the 12 Super League clubs take their share, it could leave little for the Rugby Football League (RFL), which lost the right to conduct the broadcast negotiations when Super League clubs broke away from the governing body in 2018, and the clubs in the second and third tiers of the professional pyramid"[/i

The 12 SL clubs were given "£1,825,000 per club per year" from the existing deal so £25M a year shared by twelve SL clubs would be just over £2Million each.......An increase for the 12 SL clubs...... a greater increase if SL was 10 clubs, and a greater increase still if SL includes the French on their own TV deal....

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