Cas average more than them all and a LOT more than some of those could get, Salford and Celtic I agree, but Celtics inclusion is obvious..for now. Quins have a top stadium, just lack the fanbase but crowds arent everything. How Quins arent a SL standard club I dont know. Wakefield are running it close but their youth development is pretty good and the playing squad is this year good, stadium for Cas and Wakey is definately an issue but this year they've performed well enough to a SL standard and with plenty of British players

This propsal is nothing to do with barrow.

Town and haven have a combined total of 2,500 - 3,000 regular fans.
A year ago I asked the fans of town and haven on their websites about this and half said they'd support a new team playing in superleague, as well as continuing with their current one. That's pretty amazing given the rivalry, etc.


More imprtantly, the two boroughs have a combined population of 170,000.
We all know how popular RL is in the area, it's the 167,000 people who live there but don't follow either of the two clubs (for a variety of reasons) that would make up the support for the new club. Those are the people who's opinion really matters.

RL needs a very rich benefactor (other than sky) to market the hell out of it.

Exciting game not being sold to the masses

Yes I am fully aware what being in a lower league does to your club , especially when you cannot climb out of it

Are they developing ? , are their crowds growing ? , are they able to stand outside a new or partly built stadium ? , could they stand a drop in the SKY revenue ?

Very true!

What professional sports club in the modern world couldnt?
I mean..if we want to highlight the point...lets look at Leigh!
Wakey have had a disappointing year for crowds after a good 2008, Cas have done alright following a year of finishing bottom.
We need to see where it's at in a couple of years but as of right now, neither are going anywhere

Stadiums are the key! People do't seem to understand this. Just look at Warrington, Hull FC...

Ok , lets look at Leigh , small crowds , poor playing squad , unable to compete for local juniors against local SL clubs , the use of a excellent stadium but they dont own it and it is expesive to play at and makes no revenue for the club , so no Leigh are not a potential SL club at the moment and are unlikely to become one in the near future without the intervention of a billionaire , Ok with that

Now then back to the question in point , we are now using a franchise system , a system that is there to enable clubs to reach good standards at all levels , playing , player development , financial , stadia , development of the sport via expansion

At the moment everybody on here seems to agree that we dont have 14 clubs anywhere near that level and yet some are suggesting we increase the number in SL , why when we only have just over 50 % of the clubs in SL at anywhere near that level , yes some clubs are better at different things , but a true SL should have true SUPER clubs in it

Look at the Union comp they set up in the southern hemisphere , it was the Super 8.s , then the 10 , then the 12 , now the 14 , all well financed , well supported fairly competitive clubs

The NRL were forced via the courts to lets Souths back into their comp and despite good finance they struggled for a while , but they introduced the Titans certain they would strengthen the comp

A very strong SL with a stronger 2 nd tier to push them would be a better idea , but that wont happen

Course they are , look at Doncaster and Leigh

You certainly put plenty of spin on those figures, Matey. 3.6484375:5