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| Quote ="tb"<yawn>'"
Why the yawn? I'm trying to demonstrate how the franchise system can easily be played by clubs (especially the SL ones) to there advantage. The intention of starting this thread was to highlight these skeletons that have probably been kept quiet until after franchise day. Surely something worthy of debate don't you think? 
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| Quote ="deeHell"Why the yawn? I'm trying to demonstrate how the franchise system can easily be played by clubs (especially the SL ones) to there advantage. The intention of starting this thread was to highlight these skeletons that have probably been kept quiet until after franchise day. Surely something worthy of debate don't you think?
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Conspiracy theories are never worthy of debate, only ridicule.
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| Quote ="Wheels"*their
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I wonder why you would say that... 
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| Quote ="Wheels"*their
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I don't see the connection between pointing out a flaw in a system and a conspiracy theory!
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| Quote ="deeHell"I don't see the connection between pointing out a flaw in a system and a conspiracy theory!'"
You suggested that the clubs had witheld significant negative details from the RFL in their licence bid. That is a conspiracy theory since you have no evidence to back it up. Especially since the bids, clubs accounts and other aspects are externally audited, hence the Crusaders withdrawal.
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| Quote ="Him"You suggested that the clubs had witheld significant negative details from the RFL in their licence bid. That is a conspiracy theory since you have no evidence to back it up. Especially since the bids, clubs accounts and other aspects are externally audited, hence the Crusaders withdrawal.'"
 best laugh for a long while Richard.
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| Quote ="maurice"icon_lol.gif
best laugh for a long while Richard.'"
So do you have evidence of clubs withholding significant negative details from the licence process? Or do you dispute that several aspects of the bids are externally audited?
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| Such fantastic Audits that CC move to N.Wales after a year, and all the promised grounds never happened in the 3 years after the last one.
Richard, move on..... defending the indefensible is like virgin hunting in Platt Waz.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"I wonder why you would say that...
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What does that mean?
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| Quote ="maurice"Such fantastic Audits that CC move to N.Wales after a year, and all the promised grounds never happened in the 3 years after the last one.
Richard, move on..... defending the indefensible is like virgin hunting in Platt Waz.'"
Who said a new ground was promised in this or the previous licence bid by any club? Link?
As for Crusaders move north, was that decision taken before or after the licence bid in 2008? You have evidence there were plans to move to Wrexham before the original licence bid was put in do you?
But no, just go on spouting bullsh[ii[/it if it makes you happy.
By the way, calling me "Richard" wasn't even funny the first time but just really looks very sad the second time around.
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| Quote ="Wheels"What does that mean?'"
Exactly! Hmmm... 
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| [urlhttp://www.castigers.com/article.php?id=1742[/url
Didnt know that there were other areas in the town the were comepeting to gain planning permission. Could be something and nothing though.
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| Quote ="a.n Other"[urlhttp://www.castigers.com/article.php?id=1742[/url
Didnt know that there were other areas in the town the were comepeting to gain planning permission. Could be something and nothing though.'"
What a surprise - delayed. Anyone reading R Wright's previous statements would know it's all smoke and mirrors (again).
I don't know which other sites are being looked at (although Tesco are wanting to build a superstore in Ponte) but Wheldon Rd is hardly ideal due to its poor access. The land area is also relatively small for a superstore (about 2/3rds that of the nearby Asda store)......... and it's on the flood plain.
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| Ha. Knew it wouldn't take long for the trolling to start.
This isn't anything to do with the club, or Richard Wright, and isn't smoke & mirrors. The developers have given a very detailed statement on why there is a delay, and to cut a long story short it is so they can ensure they do the best possible job of covering every angle and maximise their chances of approval at the first attempt.
If the delay was because of RW smoke & mirrors and 'spin' the developers wouldn't be assuming responsibility for the delay; they would deny all knowledge of a delay and claim it was always their plan to submit in October.
Anyhow, the delay doesn't scupper, derail, or even inconvenience the GH build in any way.
Nothing to see here...
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| Quote ="TypingMonkey"Nothing to see here...'"
Never a truer word said re your stadium plans!
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| Quote ="TypingMonkey"...This isn't anything to do with the club, or Richard Wright, and isn't smoke & mirrors. The developers have given a very detailed statement on why there is a delay, and to cut a long story short it is so they can ensure they do the best possible job of covering every angle and maximise their chances of approval at the first attempt. '"
No mention of 'other competition' previously.
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If the delay was because of RW smoke & mirrors and 'spin' the developers wouldn't be assuming responsibility for the delay; they would deny all knowledge of a delay and claim it was always their plan to submit in October. '"
So why was RW statingonly just before the SL licencing announcements that the application was going ahead as planned in August?
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Anyhow, the delay doesn't scupper, derail, or even inconvenience the GH build in any way. '"
Not sure how you can reach that conclusion - any 'delay' delays the GH build - now already moved at least 2 months further away
As I've said since it was first announced, this supermarket scheme is nowhere near as cut and dried as RW or all Cas supporters on here would have you believe.
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| Leeds have now announced a delay in the supposed redevelopment of the condemned South stand.
Now imagine if Wakey or Cas were relegated due in part to having an out of date stadium, and then a few months later Leeds dropped plans to redevelop the Southstand, and instead just left it derelict as may be the case next season.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Leeds have now announced a delay in the supposed redevelopment of the condemned South stand.
Now imagine if Wakey or Cas were relegated due in part to having an out of date stadium, and then a few months later Leeds dropped plans to redevelop the Southstand, and instead just left it derelict as may be the case next season.'"
so to summeries once every three years some SL chairmen turn in to the biggest lieing b'stards you'd never want to meet.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"I'm just wondering how long before Wakefield and Castleford drop their stadium plans.'"
They wont get dropped just put away only to resurface in three years time with the line "we're really REALLY gonna do it this time" 
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Leeds have now announced a delay in the supposed redevelopment of the condemned South stand.
Now imagine if Wakey or Cas were relegated due in part to having an out of date stadium, and then a few months later Leeds dropped plans to redevelop the Southstand, and instead just left it derelict as may be the case next season.'" Difference is Leeds are a Grade A club in every respect, and even without the S Stand Headingley would still meet the A Grade stadium criteria. Besides which Leeds were never appraised on the S Stand as part of their franchise application; given its tortuous progress through Leeds City Council's planning department it was never considered certain until planning permission was given last month.
There is now however something fishy going on as to why it has been "deferred". The funding arguments presented in today's press release don't stack up and I expect there will have to be a clarification very shortly.
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| Quote ="MjM"Difference is Leeds are a Grade A club in every respect, and even without the S Stand Headingley would still meet the A Grade stadium criteria. Besides which Leeds were never appraised on the S Stand as part of their franchise application; given its tortuous progress through Leeds City Council's planning department it was never considered certain until planning permission was given last month.
There is now however something fishy going on as to why it has been "deferred". The funding arguments presented in today's press release don't stack up and I expect there will have to be a clarification very shortly.'"
Maybe a big tax bill has had to take priority? Just wondering?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Maybe a big tax bill has had to take priority? Just wondering?'"
Has the test case been concluded?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Maybe a big tax bill has had to take priority? Just wondering?'"
This was my thought.
legal fees for the test case must be quite high now as well.
I also wonder if this is a manoeuvre to put in a revised planning document in future years. One that presents facilities more in keeping with the original plans, which called for a structure that mimicked the Carnegie stand.
Such a facility would be worthy of Leeds. The final adopted proposal was a real big let down IMO.
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| Quote ="MjM"Difference is Leeds are a Grade A club in every respect, and even without the S Stand Headingley would still meet the A Grade stadium criteria. Besides which Leeds were never appraised on the S Stand as part of their franchise application; given its tortuous progress through Leeds City Council's planning department it was never considered certain until planning permission was given last month.
There is now however something fishy going on as to why it has been "deferred". The funding arguments presented in today's press release don't stack up and I expect there will have to be a clarification very shortly.'"
I appreciate it didnt, however fans of the relegated club would not have thought so and would have raised hell with the RFL.
It is rather a disgrace that Leeds, the richest club in RL are playing in a stadium that was predominately built prior to WW2.
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