When the big lad was in charge of the game didn't he use sell outs one year as a pre season measure of success?

Quote little wayne69="little wayne69"Isn't Leeds council financing York's CC part of the new stand to enable them to keep their test match status?'" Not exactly - it certainly isn't "financing" it. Leeds CC has brokered an investment with Legal and General on what is essentially a 'sale and lease back' kind of arrangement. LCC can do this as local government can generally borrow at lower rates and given YCC's financial position, there's no way that YCC could have done this by themselves. This bit on Legal and General's website explains more: Quote little wayne69Comprising the redeveloped stand, which sits on the south side of Headingley Cricket Stadium and the adjacent north stand of the Rugby Stadium, the property will be let to Leeds City Council on a 42 year lease, and under-let to the Cricket and Rugby Clubs jointly. Legal & General is financing the circa £35 million redevelopment on behalf of Legal & General Retirement, which invests in high-quality, long-term assets that generate income streams, which match its commitments to pensioners across Britain.'" https://www.legalandgeneralgroup.com/me ... velopment/

Quote little wayne69="little wayne69"Isn't Leeds council financing York's CC part of the new stand to enable them to keep their test match status?'" Not exactly - it certainly isn't "financing" it. Leeds CC has brokered an investment with Legal and General on what is essentially a 'sale and lease back' kind of arrangement. LCC can do this as local government can generally borrow at lower rates and given YCC's financial position, there's no way that YCC could have done this by themselves. This bit on Legal and General's website explains more: Quote little wayne69Comprising the redeveloped stand, which sits on the south side of Headingley Cricket Stadium and the adjacent north stand of the Rugby Stadium, the property will be let to Leeds City Council on a 42 year lease, and under-let to the Cricket and Rugby Clubs jointly. Legal & General is financing the circa £35 million redevelopment on behalf of Legal & General Retirement, which invests in high-quality, long-term assets that generate income streams, which match its commitments to pensioners across Britain.'" https://www.legalandgeneralgroup.com/me ... velopment/

He certainly did and despite the game not hitting those targets, he walked away with a huge wedge



Having said that, each club should be setting financial and performance targets anyway, every business needs to grow.

Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"Not exactly - it certainly isn't "financing" it. Leeds CC has brokered an investment with Legal and General on what is essentially a 'sale and lease back' kind of arrangement. LCC can do this as local government can generally borrow at lower rates and given YCC's financial position, there's no way that YCC could have done this by themselves. This bit on Legal and General's website explains more: https://www.legalandgeneralgroup.com/me ... velopment/'" Sorry wrong choice of words, that's really what I mean't in a round about kind of way when I said financing, I believe that's what the Wakefield chairman had in mind with WMDC at one stage.

Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"Not exactly - it certainly isn't "financing" it. Leeds CC has brokered an investment with Legal and General on what is essentially a 'sale and lease back' kind of arrangement. LCC can do this as local government can generally borrow at lower rates and given YCC's financial position, there's no way that YCC could have done this by themselves. This bit on Legal and General's website explains more: https://www.legalandgeneralgroup.com/me ... velopment/'" Sorry wrong choice of words, that's really what I mean't in a round about kind of way when I said financing, I believe that's what the Wakefield chairman had in mind with WMDC at one stage.

They take a half day out of work or a whole day maybe & coaches travel earlier ?
That &/or maybe generally more affluent & can afford not to work or have staff working for them ?

The football fan arguement never is a fair comparison. Your more likely to find 3000 man Utd fans in London then you are RL fans in general.

There are probably significantly more than 3,000 London based United fans in the capital, but, buying away tickets isn't that simple a task, it's generally not based on location, but, loyalty and previous sales which often ends in a ballot, you have to earn your ticket particularly for the glamour games. IMO a football 'away day' is seen by many as the best type of fixture, a bit of adventure with a better atmosphere.

I think that for whatever reason football is a fair comparison, in simple terms they travel further and in greater numbers and more regularly than we do, particularly when you you consider the palaver buying the ticket, it takes effort and planning, you can't just rock up with your pals and pay on the gate.

Can you say all of that again but in english this time ?

Maybe for some teams but in general I have never had much trouble obtaining football tickets for home or away. The point being they have a larger pool of supporters to target so hardly surprising they travel in greater numbers. If you say 10% of a home attendance will go to away days it probably shows why teams that regular get 40k in football travel far better then RL teams.

If we had the exposure, marketing and same supporter pool as football I would see it as a fair comparison.

Blindly optimistic to think WMDC would play ball on that one IMO. Were Wakey relegated, the rent/repayments would immediately be beyond the club's means. I can't believe Carter thought for a minute that such a deal would actually happen. Leeds, on the other hand, own their ground which provides some security to lenders.

Without wishing to cause offence it was you that used United and London based fans as an example, something I know a bit about (now I've gone and done it). United tickets are restricted so indeed aren't a fair comparative, yes even now they are in demand so agree that it's a lot to do with exposure and marketing.

I don't get the supporter pool bit when considered with the percentage example, as from our lower numbers base, we must generally beat or equal 10% of the home gate travelling to quite a few games in the regular season? I'd think that for example Warrington will take a 1,000 to quite a few games and significantly more to local matches circa 25% of our gate to say Saints or Wigan. I've no idea which side of the river that you are from but both Hull teams generally travel well?

Where we let ourselves down IMO are the Thursday/Friday nighters when a 40 mile e/w trip admittedly along the M62 will see numbers nosedive significantly in percentage terms, or the local derby not selling out with unrestricted tickets to purchase. In Wire's case, we don't do that bad BUT we should completely fill the away ends at Wigan and Saints and disappointingly we don't. Yes they are usually TV games and on a good day we probably take up to 35% of our gate which sounds fine, but, not for a 10 mile trip?

A girl in our office supports Huddersfield Town and is heading down to Bristol this weekend for the FA Cup I'm sure that she won't be alone and will be a bit of a diversion from the league whereas the Challenge Cup.....

A few years back during licencing I stopped attending most matches due to lack of ' excitement ' , I did attend more away fixtures than home essentially for the ' day out '